90/180. changing to 180/365 Is it possible? - Page 4

hartcjhart wrote on Wed Mar 31, 2021 6:41pm:

Here we go again,he lied she lied,same old same old,I have said it before and say it again people should have sorted their residencia long ago,WETHER or not they wanted it.

If I had owned a home in Spain for 15years It would be the first thing I did,

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in fact when I purchased my place it was the second thing I did and that was in the year 2000 that was when Almeria region was the Wild West no wonder they filmed the Spaghetti westerns in the area

cowboy builders cowboy sparkies,cowboy estate agents etc etc no one paying tax etc, Residencia?? whats that, nah not for me,now it is biting people on the bvm,sorry very little sympathy

hartcjhart wrote on Wed Mar 31, 2021 6:41pm:

Here we go again,he lied she lied,same old same old,I have said it before and say it again people should have sorted their residencia long ago,WETHER or not they wanted it.

If I had owned a home in Spain for 15years It would be the first thing I did,

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in fact when I purchased my place it was the second thing I did and that was in the year 2000 that was when Almeria region was the Wild West no wonder they filmed the Spaghetti westerns in the area

cowboy builders cowboy sparkies,cowboy estate agents etc etc no one paying tax etc, Residencia?? whats that, nah not for me,now it is biting people on the bvm,sorry very little sympathy

Sueleeson56 wrote on Wed Mar 31, 2021 6:58pm:

I wasn't looking for your sympathy.  When we bought our property off plan, but before it was completed, cancer struck.  For that reason alone it became a holiday home, and residencies wasn't for us.  It would have been nice though to have spent winter months in what we bought and p...

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...aid for in good faith.  Unlike you, Mr smart arse, I was to stupid to know what was going to occur fifteen years after purchase.

jools wrote on Wed Mar 31, 2021 1:15pm:

Hi i also do not want residency but would love to spend more time..should i wish than 90 days/180 ...but it hasn't put me off buying in fact am half way through the process...which is quite a process.  Not seen the house for real but it's an adventure and I'm sure it will be fine...cant wait...

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... to travel and get in. 

DarioMartin wrote on Wed Mar 31, 2021 5:17pm:

Just saw this - thought maybe pertinent.  I make no comment, this posted for interests sake

British arrivals sent home from Alicante airport

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Dozens of British passengers arriving at Alicante-Elche airport have been escorted back onto a plane and returned to the UK after being refused entry into Spain.

An easyJet flight from London Gatwick touched down on Friday but only Spanish nationals and officially resident passengers were allowed through passport control.

Despite having fulfilled criteria to leave the UK – where foreign travel currently remains illegal – they were escorted back onto the same airliner.

According to the Spanish government and confirmed by the British Embassy in Madrid, the people had jumped the gun and did not meet regulations to enter the country. 

Full report in Costa Blanca News – in the shops on Thursday this week due to the Easter holidays  

hartcjhart wrote on Wed Mar 31, 2021 7:15pm:

Im no smart arse but thanks for the compliment,I took residencia because it is/was the right thing to do,some people seem to think Residencia is Citizenship it is not

a movement to leave the EU was started at least 10 years ago when Nigel Farrage got elected as an MEP

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But at least you can still spend 3 months over winter,and you never know maybe longer

L181SKY wrote on Wed Mar 31, 2021 7:47pm:

Could you tell us how exactly is this pertinent please 

DarioMartin wrote on Tue Mar 30, 2021 8:53pm:

The problem, as has been highlighted elsewhere, is that 90/180 is NOT a Spanish law or requirement.  It is one of the founding and essential regulations of the Schengen Zone, a grouping of 26 countries.  Changing this requirement would mean 26 countries agreeing to this change.  If...

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... it was for ALL TCNs, then that might be a possibility - but it’s not.  UK wants it changed on the basis I guess that it used to be a member.

It has been stated elsewhere that this is possible because New Zealanders enjoy longer than 90 days.  Not so.  New Zealand negotiated treaties with individual countries BEFORE the Schengen Zone came into being.  Even so, a New Zealand passport holder is STILL restricted to 90 days in any one EU country.  The difference being they can immediately travel to the next country with which NZ signed a treaty for another 90 days.

90 days is the limit, whether you are NZ, TCN or indeed EU citizen.  Even an EU citizen is obliged to register in country of residence if they intend to stay for longer than ... 90 days.

I know many Brits feel put out by this, that there should be some kind of special recognition of UKs former member status, but, despite the money UK tourists spend, UK is just NOT a powerful enough partner to have this change made just for them.  It is a noble effort, but again, it is NOT something that can be negotiated between UK and Spain as Spain is a Schengen country and the Schengen treaty would override any subsequent treaty made between Spain and UK - much as the treaties made by NZ prior to Schengen Treaty override the Schengen treaty.

Again and in short, any agreement or treaty reached between Spain and UK is immediately overridden and superseded by the Schengen Treaty.  To get longer than 90/180, Schengen Treaty would have to be changed or more likely, UK would have to once again agree to Freedom of Movement

DarioMartin wrote on Tue Mar 30, 2021 8:53pm:

The problem, as has been highlighted elsewhere, is that 90/180 is NOT a Spanish law or requirement.  It is one of the founding and essential regulations of the Schengen Zone, a grouping of 26 countries.  Changing this requirement would mean 26 countries agreeing to this change.  If...

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... it was for ALL TCNs, then that might be a possibility - but it’s not.  UK wants it changed on the basis I guess that it used to be a member.

It has been stated elsewhere that this is possible because New Zealanders enjoy longer than 90 days.  Not so.  New Zealand negotiated treaties with individual countries BEFORE the Schengen Zone came into being.  Even so, a New Zealand passport holder is STILL restricted to 90 days in any one EU country.  The difference being they can immediately travel to the next country with which NZ signed a treaty for another 90 days.

90 days is the limit, whether you are NZ, TCN or indeed EU citizen.  Even an EU citizen is obliged to register in country of residence if they intend to stay for longer than ... 90 days.

I know many Brits feel put out by this, that there should be some kind of special recognition of UKs former member status, but, despite the money UK tourists spend, UK is just NOT a powerful enough partner to have this change made just for them.  It is a noble effort, but again, it is NOT something that can be negotiated between UK and Spain as Spain is a Schengen country and the Schengen treaty would override any subsequent treaty made between Spain and UK - much as the treaties made by NZ prior to Schengen Treaty override the Schengen treaty.

Again and in short, any agreement or treaty reached between Spain and UK is immediately overridden and superseded by the Schengen Treaty.  To get longer than 90/180, Schengen Treaty would have to be changed or more likely, UK would have to once again agree to Freedom of Movement

DarioMartin wrote on Wed Mar 31, 2021 5:17pm:

Just saw this - thought maybe pertinent.  I make no comment, this posted for interests sake

British arrivals sent home from Alicante airport

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Dozens of British passengers arriving at Alicante-Elche airport have been escorted back onto a plane and returned to the UK after being refused entry into Spain.

An easyJet flight from London Gatwick touched down on Friday but only Spanish nationals and officially resident passengers were allowed through passport control.

Despite having fulfilled criteria to leave the UK – where foreign travel currently remains illegal – they were escorted back onto the same airliner.

According to the Spanish government and confirmed by the British Embassy in Madrid, the people had jumped the gun and did not meet regulations to enter the country. 

Full report in Costa Blanca News – in the shops on Thursday this week due to the Easter holidays