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Happy Days for Second Home Owners ?

Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2023 11:19am
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Here is an article from the Majorcan Daily Bulletin newspaper that might cheer some members up a bit.     

It seems that hot on the heels of France, Spain is also baying to drop the 90-day rule for Britons with second homes in the country. Up until now, non-resident Britons have only been able to enjoy a 90 day stay out of 180 days per year following Brexit. This has led to many UK buyers selling their dream properties and it has undoubtedly proven hugely damaging to the Spanish economy. Frankly, it didn’t take an Einstein to work out how losing lucrative spending by foreign buyers throughout the year, particularly in lean seasons, would lead to foreign property stock being sold and a depleted economy.
Whether the petition by the Spanish government is heard by the EU is anybody’s guess but hopefully strength in numbers will have an effect, with France also determined to change the situation. It’s frustrating how Brexit really brought penalties to those of us wishing to either live or have homes in Spain, and indeed in other EU countries.


Even the additional paperwork following Brexit was costly and I’m talking about obtaining Spanish driving licences, TIE cards et al. If one had plenty of time, a lot of legwork could be done as an individual, thus saving the cost. Sadly, I work every day and have zilch time to hang out with a picnic in government offices awaiting my moment in a snaking queue. Therefore, like many friends here, I paid to get a competent agency to cut short the admin, waiting time and to handle the paperwork. It was worth every penny but so much of this was only necessary because of Brexit.
Let’s hope common sense now prevails and that the ludicrous and arcane rule is kicked into touch.

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Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2023 12:12pm

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Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2023 12:12pm

L181SKY wrote on Mon Nov 20, 2023 11:19am:

Here is an article from the Majorcan Daily Bulletin newspaper that might cheer some members up a bit.     

It seems that hot on the heels of France, Spain is also baying to drop the 90-day rule for Britons with second homes in the country. Up until now, non-resident Britons have only been able to enjoy a 90 day stay out of 180 days per year following Brexit. This has led to many UK buyers s...

...elling their dream properties and it has undoubtedly proven hugely damaging to the Spanish economy. Frankly, it didn’t take an Einstein to work out how losing lucrative spending by foreign buyers throughout the year, particularly in lean seasons, would lead to foreign property stock being sold and a depleted economy.
Whether the petition by the Spanish government is heard by the EU is anybody’s guess but hopefully strength in numbers will have an effect, with France also determined to change the situation. It’s frustrating how Brexit really brought penalties to those of us wishing to either live or have homes in Spain, and indeed in other EU countries.


Even the additional paperwork following Brexit was costly and I’m talking about obtaining Spanish driving licences, TIE cards et al. If one had plenty of time, a lot of legwork could be done as an individual, thus saving the cost. Sadly, I work every day and have zilch time to hang out with a picnic in government offices awaiting my moment in a snaking queue. Therefore, like many friends here, I paid to get a competent agency to cut short the admin, waiting time and to handle the paperwork. It was worth every penny but so much of this was only necessary because of Brexit.
Let’s hope common sense now prevails and that the ludicrous and arcane rule is kicked into touch.

Yes, a mate of mine flagged this up to me last week. Promising that they are at least looking at it. How fast anything happens, if it does happen, who knows. Given Spain's reaction to the EU telling them to put up duty on fags and alcohol, as in bog off, does give us hope.

I've always said that the Schengen Agreement ties their hands as far as changing the rules unilaterally, but as a sovereign country, I can't see anything to stop them introducing a Spain only visa for homeowners and charging for it. 

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Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2023 12:33pm

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Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2023 12:33pm

Yes, I saw that. However, I do believe that this will have to be sanctioned by Brussels (EU) first.

If the EU refuse a sovereign nations wishes then that nation is no longer sovereign and are governed by an external body who they never voted for and have no influence over. Hence the reason why the UK voted to leave the EU.


I hope for every ones sake that the EU keep their noses out and let both France and Spain prosper from UK tourism and commerce. Depending on the type of relaxation, it could certainly rekindle the interest of UK citizens retiring and buying property in both countries and of course for all those Brits wishing to spend the winter months (more than 90 days) in a warmer climate, where they can spend spend spend.

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Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2023 12:42pm

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Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2023 12:42pm

Stuart47 wrote on Mon Nov 20, 2023 12:33pm:

Yes, I saw that. However, I do believe that this will have to be sanctioned by Brussels (EU) first.

If the EU refuse a sovereign nations wishes then that nation is no longer sovereign and are governed by an external body who they never voted for and have no influence over. Hence the reason why the UK voted to leave the EU....

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I hope for every ones sake that the EU keep their noses out and let both France and Spain prosper from UK tourism and commerce. Depending on the type of relaxation, it could certainly rekindle the interest of UK citizens retiring and buying property in both countries and of course for all those Brits wishing to spend the winter months (more than 90 days) in a warmer climate, where they can spend spend spend.

Fingers crossed pal.

The process of applying for a visa is long winded and expensive. If they  turned round and said, yes we can grant homeowners a 90 visa in excess of your Schengen allowance for use in Spain only and it costs 100 euro, I for one would snap their hand off. They'd make a fortune off than never mind the boost to the economy.

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Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2023 12:51pm

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Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2023 12:51pm

I would like to see the rule relaxed also, but no point in blaming the EU or the Schengen countries, Brexit was voted for in the UK (sorry to be opening old wounds). 

I think the rule will be amended/changed. But when? I think we're talking years (again sorry!) and I hope I'm wrong.

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Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2023 1:02pm

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Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2023 1:02pm

Matthew wrote on Mon Nov 20, 2023 12:51pm:

I would like to see the rule relaxed also, but no point in blaming the EU or the Schengen countries, Brexit was voted for in the UK (sorry to be opening old wounds). 

I think the rule will be amended/changed. But when? I think we're talking years (again sorry!) and I hope I'm wrong.

I wouldn't argue that point Matthew, the great British public were lied too and misled. Knowing what they know know I'm pretty sure the vote would have been very different.

To be fair it doesn't really make much difference to me now, but in another 5 1/2 year I'd like to be able to spend more than 90 days per year at my place in Spain, the NLV route is just daunting.

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Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2023 1:06pm

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Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2023 1:06pm

Geordiemark wrote on Mon Nov 20, 2023 1:02pm:

I wouldn't argue that point Matthew, the great British public were lied too and misled. Knowing what they know know I'm pretty sure the vote would have been very different.

To be fair it doesn't really make much difference to me now, but in another 5 1/2 year I'd like to be able to spend more than 90 days per year at my place in Spain, the NLV route is just daunting....

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I hear what you're saying Geordie, believe me! But, I think the fastest way forward for relaxation of the rule is for the UK to apply for some sort of EU membership. Staying out in the cold ain't goin' to do Brit Home Owners in Spain any good.

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Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2023 1:14pm

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Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2023 1:14pm

Matthew wrote on Mon Nov 20, 2023 12:51pm:

I would like to see the rule relaxed also, but no point in blaming the EU or the Schengen countries, Brexit was voted for in the UK (sorry to be opening old wounds). 

I think the rule will be amended/changed. But when? I think we're talking years (again sorry!) and I hope I'm wrong.

Your being pessimistic again Matthew. 

The only blame on the EU is if they intervene to block it. Which if they do demonstrates that neither France np Spain are sovereign countries and not in control of their own destiny. That is all I said, which must, even to you be abundantly clear. 

Ask yourself, why would the EU want to block a countries wish. Punishment maybe? If it is, it demonstrates how fundamentally flawed the EU is. People from the UK would be seeking pleasure from such a move while France and Spain would be gaining commercial benefit which they have openly declared is their desire and need.

I never mentioned Brexit once in my post it was you who introduced it.   

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Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2023 1:16pm

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Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2023 1:16pm

Matthew wrote on Mon Nov 20, 2023 1:06pm:

I hear what you're saying Geordie, believe me! But, I think the fastest way forward for relaxation of the rule is for the UK to apply for some sort of EU membership. Staying out in the cold ain't goin' to do Brit Home Owners in Spain any good.

That is never going to happen. It is not the UK who have asked for this it's the governments of France and Spain. They want our Wonga.

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Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2023 1:38pm

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Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2023 1:38pm

Yes, I'm pessimestic and no apologies from me either. Let's sit back and take some breath. This is like having a winning bet on the Grand National only to find a few minutes later that the horse was disqualified. What are we now reading? - Free Newspapers that are gasping for something to write about and they can't find anything but let's bring up what the Brits want but can't have  That's the way I see this on 20th November 2023. And I bet this time next year the same free papers will be talking about this again.

I'm just hearing estate agents talking this up "Of course, in a few months you'll be able to spend as much time as you want in Spain and the new high speed rail will shortly be up and running too." 

You'll find more facts in The Beano. 

Yours faithfully

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