When can UK rejoin the EU? - Page 4

Shay123 wrote on Wed Jan 19, 2022 1:20pm:

The democratic decision to leave the EU has been taken and that part of our history is over, we are not members and not going back.

Hmmm, One of my very first votes, I had a referendum choice to join the EEC as it was then. The vote was 73% in favour. We prospered as a nation. Since then there were many elections of Prime Ministers and we stayed in regardless of their colour....

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As Matthew says the older generation grew up thinking that England won THE war and still hark back to those days. The modern generations are not interested in insular Britain and want their freedoms to return. A survey stated that 36% of younger people would leave the UK if they could be offered work and a further 40% said they would consider it or seriously consider a job offer abroad. Why? Young people don't buy into nationalistic nonsense, they see a global world.

There are more than five million people working and living outside the UK, that is nearly ten percent and so we have to have a vested interest in matters outside the small nation of England. There are still millions of europeans working in the UK and employers are finding ways to allow others like lorry drivers and farm workers to get back in. The lack of joined up thinking is what you get when you base your decisions on hate and not reason.

The EU and NATO are what stops Russia from invading your energy supplies now that UK oil reserves have all but gone. Is the British government going to work with others or will it stand alone?

Despite being in the EU our biggest trading partner was and is the USA not Europe, we already were a global business inside Europe. We just made it a lot harder to work with European countries. Seems stupid to do that.

The Uk is currently run by a gang of five within a party that has become a dinosaur. The tail is wagging the dog and then the dog bites the people that feed it. The last by-election was not just a major overturn due to sleaze or corruption. Brexit and Covid restictions have played their part too and things change, things can always change.

Stuart47 wrote on Tue Jan 18, 2022 4:59pm:

In answer to your post Matthew,

1. My comments were not directed at you, but the many UK Remainers who post on this forum so no apology or withdrawal will be forthcoming.

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2. I might add how you dare be so arrogant as to presume the majority of people in the UK would be happier if the UK re-joined the EU. It was a democratic vote to leave.

3. You refer to the Tory Brexiteers but it was the vast number of Labour Party Brexiteers in the North who got the Leave vote over the line and the it is the main reason why Labour have been unable to win an election since. The implosion inside the Tory Party has little to do with Brexit.

4. If nothing else works let's play the old racist card. What a low despicable thing to imply. Wanting to be free of the EU and control our borders has absolutely nothing to do with racism. It's called freedom, a little like the Republic of Ireland did when breaking away from the UK, that was never classed as being racist.

5. The UK would never adopt the Euro or any other failing currency.

6. I too feel deeply for those who are in limbo in Spain, but I have seen many UK expats, not yourself, saying they have no sympathy whatsoever for those Brit's who didn't register and follow the regulations.      

To add, though I wish the EU well, I and many others in the UK, as can be seen from trading statistics, now by very little from the EU, preferring to buy local produce. 

ian clarke wrote on Wed Jan 19, 2022 3:14pm:

I will pick you up on one point, I door knocked at the last GE and for every one person who voted Tory because of 'get Brexit done' five had the ABC mantra, Anyone But Corbyn. and this is in a Northern marginal that the tories won by less than 100 votes.

It was JC who sank labour at the last election not getting brexit done....

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ian clarke wrote on Wed Jan 19, 2022 3:14pm:

I will pick you up on one point, I door knocked at the last GE and for every one person who voted Tory because of 'get Brexit done' five had the ABC mantra, Anyone But Corbyn. and this is in a Northern marginal that the tories won by less than 100 votes.

It was JC who sank labour at the last election not getting brexit done....

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Matthew wrote on Tue Jan 18, 2022 7:55pm:

Years after the Referendum we are still exchanging blows on the issues. That says a lot. I believe Brexit was a protest vote that went wrong. Yes it was democratic (what more could you ask for?). Lots of issues got Brexit over the line. There was the Brit expats who voted to leave assuming that m...

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...ight is right, but nobody told the Spaniards. There were the minorities in the UK which used Brexit for their agendas. Anybody who says racism isn't an issue in the UK is merely being naive. 

The fishermen spokespeople who were screaming to leave and negotiate terms later were living in dreamland. The issues regarding AstraVenica rollout were embarrassing. The EU sourced vaccines elsewhere after broken promises by the manufacturer. Rollout of the vaccines in the UK and EU moved pretty fast after. The makers of AstraVeneca were left with much egg on their faces. 

Ireland gained its independence from Britain one hundred years ago this week. It's not a subject that I wish to raise here. I'm merely replying to Stuart's post above. There was no bloodshed when the UK left the EU and there was much bloodshed when Ireland fought for independence. Unfortunately, the bloodshed didn't end there. 

The EU is doing nicely without the UK. And I agree the UK is doing well too. Even Ireland has extra services with new ferries to Spain. We even have people from the UK using the services which is nice to see. Our imports from the UK have dropped by 20%. Our exports to the EU and elsewhere have increased. There is no doubt the UK is losing out on opportunities with the EU. I'm hearing the former colonies of GB will come to the aid of the UK. That remains to be seen. 

My Opinion:- I see the UK applying and getting partial membership of the EU within a few years. The GBP£ will exist alongside the Euro. Later the UK will regain full membership of the EU and soon after the GBP£ will become history. I hope we attain a United States of Europe. 

robinson58 wrote on Wed Jan 19, 2022 12:18pm:

oh my god i hope we never go back to EU we are better of out of it if you live in Spain how can you moan about our vote in uk simple you makes your choice cannot have the cake and eat it as well  lets not go back to paying millions and been told what to do by pepole who dont live in uk and h...

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...ave no interest except  there own lets see how long it takes to work out who is keeping up the EU and who are just drawing out cannot wait for another country to leave the EU it be like watching dominos fall

Stuart47 wrote on Wed Jan 19, 2022 12:38pm:

I don't know where you get your figures from Richard and most of us realise that statistics can be made to look provocative and used to proved either side of an argument for example:

CP Index shows UK inflation rate at 5.1% while overall EU inflation rate is 5.2%

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Accurate assesment of GDP through a pandemic is difficult.

I'll  go back to my first statement and give one recent example. There have supposed to have been 150,000 Covid deaths in the UK. This calculation is based on people who died within 28 days of testing positive. The office of national statistics released in the last few days that only 13%of these died 'of' Covid and 60 to 80% of these were over 64 years old. All countries have calculated death from Covid in different ways so it is very difficult to assess who did better and who did worse.

Our employment figures, may slightly be due to returning EU nationals but argument could be used over HGV drivers. If all foreign HGV drivers have returned home, then why is there a shortage of them in the EU as well as the EU?