Long term visa - Page 2

L181SKY wrote on Sat Jul 11, 2020 4:50pm:

Here it is.     Procedures and conditions for issuing these visas can be found in Organic Law 4/2000 and in its Regulations, approved by Royal Decree 557/2011.
 
These visas entitle their holders to reside, to reside and work, to study, or to research in Spain. All foreigners...

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... wishing to enter Spain to reside, reside and work, or study, need to hold a visa of this kind, unless they are citizens of the European Union, Iceland, Liechtenstein, Norway or Switzerland
 

Applications for long-term visas must be submitted through a duly completed application form (original and copy), which may be downloaded for free on this website or may also be obtained for free at Spain's Diplomatic Missions or Consular Posts abroad.

Visa applications must be filed in person. However, applications may also be filed by a duly accredited representative if you do not reside in the town or city where the Diplomatic Mission or Consular Office is located and you can demonstrate due cause preventing you from travelling, such as the distance from the Diplomatic Mission or Consular Office in question, transport difficulties that make the journey particularly problematic or accredited reasons related to a sickness or physical condition that significantly reduces your mobility. 
 
When submitting an application for a visa, an established fee must be paid (generally € 60), which shall not be refunded in the event of the application being denied. In certain cases, which should be consulted at Spanish Diplomatic Missions or Consular Posts, current legislation sets forth a reduction or waiver of the fee. Other requirements should be consulted at the Diplomatic Mission or Consular Post where the visa is to be applied for, because they can vary depending on the reason for the trip and the applicant's country of origin.
 

Persons wishing to reside in Spain must obtain prior information about the procedures from the relevant bodies, mainly from the Ministry of the Interior and the Ministry of Employment and Social Security.

The deadline for processing long-term visa applications is one month after the application has been submitted, except for the case of non-lucrative residence visas, in which the deadline shall be three months. In the event that a visa is issued, it must be collected personally at the relevant Diplomatic Mission or Consular Post within a month after notification of issuance. 
 
In the event that a visa is refused, the applicant shall be notified. In this case, a contentious-administrative appeal may be lodged before the High Court of Justice of Madrid within two months after the notification date, or, optionally, an appeal for reversal before the same Diplomatic Mission or Consular Post within a month after the refusal notification date. 
 

​  Long stay (more than 90 days out of every 6 months). All foreign citizens who do not hold the nationality of a European Union member state, Norway, Iceland, Liechtenstein or Switzerland, must obtain a Long Stay Visa if they wish to stay in Spain for a period of over 90 days per semester. There are three types of Long Stay Visas: Residency: This visa allows the holder to live in Spain without working or performing any professional activities.  Work and residence: This visa allows the holder to work while living in Spain. Student: This visa allows the holder to live in Spain while studying, researching or participating in an internship. If you are a dependent of a citizen of one of the EU member states or a citizen of Norway, Iceland, Liechtenstein or Switzerland, you will only  need to apply for a Long Stay Visa if you are required to do so and wish to live in Spain. For obtaining a Visa, please, click on the correspondent button at "More information".  Any thoughts.   

L181SKY wrote on Sat Jul 11, 2020 5:25pm:

On here since the 6th of May !    We all needed your advice.    You are writing as if I am some kind of undesirable,   I find your comments to be condescending to say the least.   Who do you think you are to Empathise with me.  I do not need Or want that.  ...

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...  Also.  You hope that’s NOT MY CAR REGISTRATION NUMBER TOO.   Why is Truenudist YOURS.   TRUNUDIST!   😡😡😡😡😡  “  Maybe you have family and friends in UK that you want to be with and possibly, they too, have enjoyed coming to visit you while you are in Spain. It would appear you have flown under the radar coming to Spain for longer than the existing visa requirement for some time now. Indeed,”. 😡😡😡😡😡😡😡         WHAT !!!!!!!!    As you will Know then.  We have too much and too many valuable properties in our homeland Scotland.  It has been a difficult decision for us ,but we are not going to take residency as we prefer Scotland.    I did not want to be taxed in Spain until all our properties were sold and tax paid.  I am not and have never been flying under the radar at all.  I take umbrage to that.  That is extremely offensive.   You seem to think you know it all.  You get carried away typing and love the Long post lol.      And there are a few of you on here.      Bringing my U.K. car here for three months ? So is that flying under the radar too. ?  NO,   and I am insured .  Holidays up to 90 days in any 180 day period.   I’m not an idiot.  You send everyone to the U.K. govt site.  Wow.  Brilliant.     .     “ It would appear you have flown under the radar coming to Spain for longer than the existing visa requirement for some time now. Indeed, you asked the other day about bringing your car down to Spain for '3 months'.“.       My car comes every time and is parked at Alicante airport while I take my Spanish one out to use for our holidays.   What business is it of yours.   I am gobsmacked that you have so much time to trawl through all the last posts.    I’m so sick and tired of all the people on here like you.  Many people agree and have left , you are nothing but bullies.     Each and every time I answer a posted question I am jumped on.  Bullying is not acceptable.   If I am ever on here again. PLEASE DO NOT WRITE ANYTHING TO ME 

Kayh wrote on Sun Jul 12, 2020 9:43am:

Well said I think there are quite a few people with the same feelings as you regarding not giving up on their UK base, me included,  but would like to spend more time here if legally possible.

DarioMartin wrote on Sun Jul 12, 2020 10:22am:

Without wishing to labour the point, you have two options:

1.  Spend 90 days in every 180.  This applies to the entire Schengen Zone so entry into any Schengen member State, even whilst transiting through, starts the clock running.  Once you have reached 90 days, you must leave the Schengen area for an equivalent period.  You CAN spen...

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...d 6 months in Spain - just not all in one go.

2.  Residency.  Up until 31/12, this is your best bet if you want to spend a little more time here; with Residencia you can spend 182 days a year in the UK.  The downside is of course you are recognized as resident in Spain and as you cannot legally be a resident of two countries, you are recognised as tax resident by HMRC, meaning you pay tax on your worldwide income in Spain.  It DOES mean you don’t have to give up your UK base, but any income derived from it will be taxed in Spain.  

After 31/12 it’s much much more difficult.  The Long Term Visa discussed above is your path to residency.  It places a much much higher financial burden on the applicant and allows only for 6 months aggregate over a 5 year period outside of Spain before visa lapses.

In both cases, in line with the withdrawal agreement, once you have attained 5 years continuous residency in Spain, you become a permanent resident and as a UK National can then spend up to FIVE years continuous out of Spain without losing residency (citizens of other EU countries can only spend 2 years out of Spain)

If you can bear the 5 year wait, residency is your best bet as it then allows you to spend as much or as little time per year in Spain as you like.

I know there are many quietly convinced that Spain will make “Special Arrangements” for UK nationals.  

At the risk of being brusque, I would like anyone who has this thought to put it out of their mind - completely.  There is NO “Special Arrangement”.  Spain has already said that there will be no Special Arrangements for UK Nationals and this is underpinned by the cessation of reciprocal health cover as of 1/1/21 and the introduction of a points-based immigration system into the UK.

DarioMartin wrote on Sun Jul 12, 2020 2:29pm:

To further underpin my comment regarding lack of “Special Arrangements”, this is a report in Business Insider, by Adam Payne and dated 10/7/2020

The European Union has warned British people that they will be subject to "thorough checks" and "inevitable disruptions" at EU borders from next year while losing many of the rights they currently hold to trade freely with the EU....

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The UK is due to leave the Brexit transition period at the end of 2020 and is currently seeking a new free trade deal with the EU.

However, in a report setting out how new border arrangements will work after Brexit, the EU Commission state that "UK nationals travelling to the European Union and the Schengen area will be treated as third-country nationals, and therefore subject to thorough checks at the Schengen area border.

The report added: "This will happen even if an ambitious free trade area is established with the United Kingdom, providing for zero tariffs and zero quotas on goods, with customs and regulatory cooperation."

The European Commission warns that unlike the UK government, which is phasing in checks over six months, the EU will not show any leniency and plans to carry out all checks as of January 1.

"The choices made by the United Kingdom's government on the future relationship and on not extending the transition period mean that these inevitable disruptions will occur as of 1 January 2021 and risk compounding the pressure that businesses are already under due to the COVID-19 outbreak," the report warns

"It is essential that all stakeholders be made aware of this, and that they ensure their readiness for these broad and far-reaching changes, which will arise under any scenario, regardless of the outcome of negotiations between the European Union and the United Kingdom.

"There is no room for complacency or postponing readiness and adaptation measures in anticipation that an agreement would ensure continuity because a large number of changes will be inevitable"   

truenudist wrote on Sun Jul 12, 2020 3:10pm:

Many sensitive people will interpret these words as strong and combative from the EU. The intention is quite different. The intention is to establish a clear, unequivocal system for people entering different zones. There has been no animosity between UK and EU, merely negotiation of a situation t...

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...hat the UK elected to be in. Many gentle folk will see this as an affront to their freedom. It is actually quite the reverse. These controls are and will be in place for everyones protection in the future and enable those with bonfire reason to travel with more security than they have nowand probably ever have had. I'm sure we've all had enough of terrorist attacks and plots to destabilise countries by people who have no right to be in the zone in the first place. What we discuss mainly in this forum is travel / residency because we are in a beautiful, relatively safe part of the world and UK citizens have been coming here for many years. They are just a small part of the Withdrawal Agreement. 

One of the main reasons that people voted to leave the EU was so the UK could control its own borders and check and refuse entry to whoever didn't comply with the UK regulation. It was very obvious the EU would reciprocate. Those that voted 'Leave' either did not understand the ramifications ( and I understand that because there was little information ) or they were totally naive and thought Special Arrangements would be made for UK citizens to enjoy their past freedoms.

The opportunity of freedom of choice for where one wants to reside  ( within the EU ) is still open. It always will be. The only thing that will change are the conditions. But rightly so, you cannot have dual residency in the EU.

You can't please all of the people all of the time. We can only try to make the world a safer place to live in. 

Bess wrote on Sun Jul 12, 2020 6:55pm:

I can understand that we all look at important events from the place where we stand, it is clear that Brexit is inconvenient from the point of view of British people who have chosen not to live in their own country. 

The majority of British people living in their own country voted to leave - they weighed a great number of things in the balance and came to a collective decision.  Those people who had a different views really do not do themselves a favour by saying the decision was made because of ignoranc...

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...e and naivety, because it was not the one they favoured!

Better to show a good grace about other views prevailing, and help Britain forge ahead with Europe in friendship, ironing out problems with mutual helpfulness and forbearance.

Bess wrote on Sun Jul 12, 2020 6:55pm:

I can understand that we all look at important events from the place where we stand, it is clear that Brexit is inconvenient from the point of view of British people who have chosen not to live in their own country. 

The majority of British people living in their own country voted to leave - they weighed a great number of things in the balance and came to a collective decision.  Those people who had a different views really do not do themselves a favour by saying the decision was made because of ignoranc...

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...e and naivety, because it was not the one they favoured!

Better to show a good grace about other views prevailing, and help Britain forge ahead with Europe in friendship, ironing out problems with mutual helpfulness and forbearance.

John99andrew wrote on Sun Jul 12, 2020 7:30pm:

It's only my opinion, but I think if the referendum was run again it would have a different outcome