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So, if we are no longer EU Citizens. We can apply for a Long term visa to Reside in Spain for more than 90 days in any 6 month semester. €60. A time. Anyone any thoughts on this. It would be a very similar situation to what we wanted to do anyway. Stay up to 6 months and not tax resident. 😎
Posted: Sat Jul 11, 2020 2:51pm
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L181SKY wrote on Sat Jul 11, 2020 1:46pm:
So, if we are no longer EU Citizens. We can apply for a Long term visa to Reside in Spain for more than 90 days in any 6 month semester. €60. A time. Anyone any thoughts on this. It would be a very similar situation to what we wanted to do anyway. Stay up t...
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...o 6 months and not tax resident. 😎
Yes many thoughts.
First of all its illegal.
Secondly, its probably a scam.
Thirdly, there is NO such thing as a 'long term visa'.
Fourthly, Read this.
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/residency-requirements-in-spain
regards,
Posted: Sat Jul 11, 2020 3:59pm
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Democracy will never suit everyone. Unfortunately, Brexit, at the time, suited a very small majority to leave the EU. It also meant that a very large minority were going to be left disappointed to the eventual outcome. I happen to believe it would be a very different scenario if the vote was today, now we know the full ramifications of that exit vote.
L181SKY ( I do hope that is not your vehicle reg number too! ) I empathise with you. I have read and answered some of your posts. You have property here. You come down to Spain probably for the UK winter months. You have asked about Insurance in this forum. But it seems you are not prepared to come down to live in Spain permanently. And I can understand that. Maybe you have family and friends in UK that you want to be with and possibly, they too, have enjoyed coming to visit you while you are in Spain. It would appear you have flown under the radar coming to Spain for longer than the existing visa requirement for some time now. Indeed, you asked the other day about bringing your car down to Spain for '3 months'. The reason it is a 90 visa is because it is a definite number. Three months is a variable.
Brexit has not changed the travel visa situation - that has been the same for many years now. However, Brexit has focused peoples minds into deciding where they actually want to be.
Europe had to decided to employ a common visa , ETIAS which will come into force in 2022. The Schengen area was always a compromise. Not all EU countries are in the Schengen area ( Ireland is in the EU but not Schengen ) and likewise there are countries outside of the EU that are in the Schengen area.
The whole idea of ETIAS and Schengen is to stop/limit the amount of 'unsavoury' people entering the area. too. The problem is it has to control the nice people too.
As of now I can guarantee you countries are looking at their borders more closely than ever before because of terrorism and illegal immigrants. They will control people who comes in and goes out of the common areas much more vigorously. And if you don't comply with the rules the penalties are severe and will only get worse. If you transgress regulations the first thing that you must consider is insurance. Your '6 month long term visa' doesn't exist ( and is never likely to ) and therefore you will not be insured.
I know you are trying to explore absolutely every avenue to maintain your old lifestyle and I understand that too.
But the reality is it has changed. It is 90 days in any one 180 day period. That is both confirmed by both the Spanish AND British Governments.
I have given you the link to the Gov.UK website many times now. If you dont see what you want on there theres a reason. It doesn't exist.
I'm sorry to be so blunt about all this and I know there are many others like you in a similar position.
The only good thing is its not too late to get Residencia under the current 'easy' terms.
I do wish you the best but please do not take risks.
Kind regards,
John
truenudist wrote on Sat Jul 11, 2020 2:51pm:
Yes many thoughts.
First of all its illegal.
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Secondly, its probably a scam.
Thirdly, there is NO such thing as a 'long term visa'.
Fourthly, Read this.
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/residency-requirements-in-spain
regards,
Excuse me ! What are you talking about. OMG. That was on the official Spanish website. It’s for people from NON EU COUNTRIES. OMG.
truenudist wrote on Sat Jul 11, 2020 2:51pm:
Yes many thoughts.
First of all its illegal.
Read more...
Secondly, its probably a scam.
Thirdly, there is NO such thing as a 'long term visa'.
Fourthly, Read this.
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/residency-requirements-in-spain
regards,
Here it is. Procedures and conditions for issuing these visas can be found in Organic Law 4/2000 and in its Regulations, approved by Royal Decree 557/2011.
These visas entitle their holders to reside, to reside and work, to study, or to research in Spain. All foreigners wishing to enter Spain to reside, reside and work, or study, need to hold a visa of this kind, unless they are citizens of the European Union, Iceland, Liechtenstein, Norway or Switzerland
Applications for long-term visas must be submitted through a duly completed application form (original and copy), which may be downloaded for free on this website or may also be obtained for free at Spain's Diplomatic Missions or Consular Posts abroad.
Visa applications must be filed in person. However, applications may also be filed by a duly accredited representative if you do not reside in the town or city where the Diplomatic Mission or Consular Office is located and you can demonstrate due cause preventing you from travelling, such as the distance from the Diplomatic Mission or Consular Office in question, transport difficulties that make the journey particularly problematic or accredited reasons related to a sickness or physical condition that significantly reduces your mobility.
When submitting an application for a visa, an established fee must be paid (generally € 60), which shall not be refunded in the event of the application being denied. In certain cases, which should be consulted at Spanish Diplomatic Missions or Consular Posts, current legislation sets forth a reduction or waiver of the fee. Other requirements should be consulted at the Diplomatic Mission or Consular Post where the visa is to be applied for, because they can vary depending on the reason for the trip and the applicant's country of origin.
Persons wishing to reside in Spain must obtain prior information about the procedures from the relevant bodies, mainly from the Ministry of the Interior and the Ministry of Employment and Social Security.
The deadline for processing long-term visa applications is one month after the application has been submitted, except for the case of non-lucrative residence visas, in which the deadline shall be three months. In the event that a visa is issued, it must be collected personally at the relevant Diplomatic Mission or Consular Post within a month after notification of issuance.
In the event that a visa is refused, the applicant shall be notified. In this case, a contentious-administrative appeal may be lodged before the High Court of Justice of Madrid within two months after the notification date, or, optionally, an appeal for reversal before the same Diplomatic Mission or Consular Post within a month after the refusal notification date.
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Posted: Sat Jul 11, 2020 5:06pm
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L181SKY wrote on Sat Jul 11, 2020 4:50pm:
Here it is. Procedures and conditions for issuing these visas can be found in Organic Law 4/2000 and in its Regulations, approved by Royal Decree 557/2011.
These visas entitle their holders to reside, to reside and work, to study, or to research in Spain. All foreigners...Read more...
... wishing to enter Spain to reside, reside and work, or study, need to hold a visa of this kind, unless they are citizens of the European Union, Iceland, Liechtenstein, Norway or Switzerland
Applications for long-term visas must be submitted through a duly completed application form (original and copy), which may be downloaded for free on this website or may also be obtained for free at Spain's Diplomatic Missions or Consular Posts abroad.
Visa applications must be filed in person. However, applications may also be filed by a duly accredited representative if you do not reside in the town or city where the Diplomatic Mission or Consular Office is located and you can demonstrate due cause preventing you from travelling, such as the distance from the Diplomatic Mission or Consular Office in question, transport difficulties that make the journey particularly problematic or accredited reasons related to a sickness or physical condition that significantly reduces your mobility.
When submitting an application for a visa, an established fee must be paid (generally € 60), which shall not be refunded in the event of the application being denied. In certain cases, which should be consulted at Spanish Diplomatic Missions or Consular Posts, current legislation sets forth a reduction or waiver of the fee. Other requirements should be consulted at the Diplomatic Mission or Consular Post where the visa is to be applied for, because they can vary depending on the reason for the trip and the applicant's country of origin.
Persons wishing to reside in Spain must obtain prior information about the procedures from the relevant bodies, mainly from the Ministry of the Interior and the Ministry of Employment and Social Security.
The deadline for processing long-term visa applications is one month after the application has been submitted, except for the case of non-lucrative residence visas, in which the deadline shall be three months. In the event that a visa is issued, it must be collected personally at the relevant Diplomatic Mission or Consular Post within a month after notification of issuance.
Long stay (more than 90 days out of every 6 months). All foreign citizens who do not hold the nationality of a European Union member state, Norway, Iceland, Liechtenstein or Switzerland, must obtain a Long Stay Visa if they wish to stay in Spain for a period of over 90 days per semester. There are three types of Long Stay Visas: Residency: This visa allows the holder to live in Spain without working or performing any professional activities. Work and residence: This visa allows the holder to work while living in Spain. Student: This visa allows the holder to live in Spain while studying, researching or participating in an internship. If you are a dependent of a citizen of one of the EU member states or a citizen of Norway, Iceland, Liechtenstein or Switzerland, you will only need to apply for a Long Stay Visa if you are required to do so and wish to live in Spain. For obtaining a Visa, please, click on the correspondent button at "More information". Any thoughts.
In the event that a visa is refused, the applicant shall be notified. In this case, a contentious-administrative appeal may be lodged before the High Court of Justice of Madrid within two months after the notification date, or, optionally, an appeal for reversal before the same Diplomatic Mission or Consular Post within a month after the refusal notification date.
I really think you need to read that again
truenudist wrote on Sat Jul 11, 2020 3:59pm:
Democracy will never suit everyone. Unfortunately, Brexit, at the time, suited a very small majority to leave the EU. It also meant that a very large minority were going to be left disappointed to the eventual outcome. I happen to believe it would be a very different scenario if the vote was toda...
Read more...
...y, now we know the full ramifications of that exit vote.
L181SKY ( I do hope that is not your vehicle reg number too! ) I empathise with you. I have read and answered some of your posts. You have property here. You come down to Spain probably for the UK winter months. You have asked about Insurance in this forum. But it seems you are not prepared to come down to live in Spain permanently. And I can understand that. Maybe you have family and friends in UK that you want to be with and possibly, they too, have enjoyed coming to visit you while you are in Spain. It would appear you have flown under the radar coming to Spain for longer than the existing visa requirement for some time now. Indeed, you asked the other day about bringing your car down to Spain for '3 months'. The reason it is a 90 visa is because it is a definite number. Three months is a variable.
Brexit has not changed the travel visa situation - that has been the same for many years now. However, Brexit has focused peoples minds into deciding where they actually want to be.
Europe had to decided to employ a common visa , ETIAS which will come into force in 2022. The Schengen area was always a compromise. Not all EU countries are in the Schengen area ( Ireland is in the EU but not Schengen ) and likewise there are countries outside of the EU that are in the Schengen area.
The whole idea of ETIAS and Schengen is to stop/limit the amount of 'unsavoury' people entering the area. too. The problem is it has to control the nice people too.
As of now I can guarantee you countries are looking at their borders more closely than ever before because of terrorism and illegal immigrants. They will control people who comes in and goes out of the common areas much more vigorously. And if you don't comply with the rules the penalties are severe and will only get worse. If you transgress regulations the first thing that you must consider is insurance. Your '6 month long term visa' doesn't exist ( and is never likely to ) and therefore you will not be insured.
I know you are trying to explore absolutely every avenue to maintain your old lifestyle and I understand that too.
But the reality is it has changed. It is 90 days in any one 180 day period. That is both confirmed by both the Spanish AND British Governments.
I have given you the link to the Gov.UK website many times now. If you dont see what you want on there theres a reason. It doesn't exist.
I'm sorry to be so blunt about all this and I know there are many others like you in a similar position.
The only good thing is its not too late to get Residencia under the current 'easy' terms.
I do wish you the best but please do not take risks.
Kind regards,
John
On here since the 6th of May ! We all needed your advice. You are writing as if I am some kind of undesirable, I find your comments to be condescending to say the least. Who do you think you are to Empathise with me. I do not need Or want that. Also. You hope that’s NOT MY CAR REGISTRATION NUMBER TOO. Why is Truenudist YOURS. TRUNUDIST! 😡😡😡😡😡 “ Maybe you have family and friends in UK that you want to be with and possibly, they too, have enjoyed coming to visit you while you are in Spain. It would appear you have flown under the radar coming to Spain for longer than the existing visa requirement for some time now. Indeed,”. 😡😡😡😡😡😡😡 WHAT !!!!!!!! As you will Know then. We have too much and too many valuable properties in our homeland Scotland. It has been a difficult decision for us ,but we are not going to take residency as we prefer Scotland. I did not want to be taxed in Spain until all our properties were sold and tax paid. I am not and have never been flying under the radar at all. I take umbrage to that. That is extremely offensive. You seem to think you know it all. You get carried away typing and love the Long post lol. And there are a few of you on here. Bringing my U.K. car here for three months ? So is that flying under the radar too. ? NO, and I am insured . Holidays up to 90 days in any 180 day period. I’m not an idiot. You send everyone to the U.K. govt site. Wow. Brilliant. . “ It would appear you have flown under the radar coming to Spain for longer than the existing visa requirement for some time now. Indeed, you asked the other day about bringing your car down to Spain for '3 months'.“. My car comes every time and is parked at Alicante airport while I take my Spanish one out to use for our holidays. What business is it of yours. I am gobsmacked that you have so much time to trawl through all the last posts. I’m so sick and tired of all the people on here like you. Many people agree and have left , you are nothing but bullies. Each and every time I answer a posted question I am jumped on. Bullying is not acceptable. If I am ever on here again. PLEASE DO NOT WRITE ANYTHING TO ME
truenudist wrote on Sat Jul 11, 2020 5:06pm:
I really think you need to read that again
I NEVER SAID IT WAS A 6 MONTH VISA. I said We wanted to stay up to 6 months.
Posted: Sat Jul 11, 2020 5:45pm
L181SKY wrote on Sat Jul 11, 2020 5:25pm:
On here since the 6th of May ! We all needed your advice. You are writing as if I am some kind of undesirable, I find your comments to be condescending to say the least. Who do you think you are to Empathise with me. I do not need Or want that. ...
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... Also. You hope that’s NOT MY CAR REGISTRATION NUMBER TOO. Why is Truenudist YOURS. TRUNUDIST! 😡😡😡😡😡 “ Maybe you have family and friends in UK that you want to be with and possibly, they too, have enjoyed coming to visit you while you are in Spain. It would appear you have flown under the radar coming to Spain for longer than the existing visa requirement for some time now. Indeed,”. 😡😡😡😡😡😡😡 WHAT !!!!!!!! As you will Know then. We have too much and too many valuable properties in our homeland Scotland. It has been a difficult decision for us ,but we are not going to take residency as we prefer Scotland. I did not want to be taxed in Spain until all our properties were sold and tax paid. I am not and have never been flying under the radar at all. I take umbrage to that. That is extremely offensive. You seem to think you know it all. You get carried away typing and love the Long post lol. And there are a few of you on here. Bringing my U.K. car here for three months ? So is that flying under the radar too. ? NO, and I am insured . Holidays up to 90 days in any 180 day period. I’m not an idiot. You send everyone to the U.K. govt site. Wow. Brilliant. . “ It would appear you have flown under the radar coming to Spain for longer than the existing visa requirement for some time now. Indeed, you asked the other day about bringing your car down to Spain for '3 months'.“. My car comes every time and is parked at Alicante airport while I take my Spanish one out to use for our holidays. What business is it of yours. I am gobsmacked that you have so much time to trawl through all the last posts. I’m so sick and tired of all the people on here like you. Many people agree and have left , you are nothing but bullies. Each and every time I answer a posted question I am jumped on. Bullying is not acceptable. If I am ever on here again. PLEASE DO NOT WRITE ANYTHING TO ME
Excellent response. I totally agree with everything you say. I guess these people are just bored with nothing else to do but to troll through this forum looking for an argument. I hope you have calmed down now. Relax and enjoy the day.
Donna
DonnaDiana wrote on Sat Jul 11, 2020 5:45pm:
Excellent response. I totally agree with everything you say. I guess these people are just bored with nothing else to do but to troll through this forum looking for an argument. I hope you have calmed down now. Relax and enjoy the day.
Donna
Thank you for that Donna, I was only asking if anyone had known anything about that. I thought it may be something helpful. It gets you so upset doesn’t it. Puts you off putting your head above the parapet. . I’m fine now lol. And I can’t say how much your comment means to me. Enjoy your evening too. Trudi
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