Should I come dilemma - Page 10

Neither in Spain, nor anywhere really.

It is probably a bit late for any country to try and control this by border controls.  It may suit a few flag-wavers to try and characterise this as a 'foreign' problem (this applies no matter where you come from) when it is at large in every country.

Isn't the simple truth that, pending a vaccine, Covid19 will be present, in peaks and troughs, until probably the much derided 'herd immunity'?  (Herd immunity was a dire concept in that it, as originally set out, merely ignored the number of deaths until enough people had had it, so that the virus was unable to spread sufficiently quickly to replicate itself.  In addition, it ignored the limited resources for healthcare.  But as a theory, it is probably correct, just somewhat inhumane).

Pick your statistics to justify your argument.  Same as ever.

Nature's way of controlling the population......Wasnt it said by Thomas Malthus that population was controlled by "war,famine or disease"..World population is now 7 billion plus and constantly rising..

Why this negative fixation on an increase in infections (almost wholly asympotomatic and unharmful) instead of a positive emphasis on the dramatic fall in fatalities? A person's truth is often not simply a matter of what they believe to be true or false but a view of reality based on the "facts" they choose to focus on.

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I think people should get things into perspective.  During the first wave there were few if any tests and many bought from China were faulty.  Less was known about Covid 19 and now they believe that the virus is airborn rather than passed on by touching surfaces and objects. The greater percentage of those who now have tested positive for the virus are asymptomatic but they can pass the virus on to others.  A few months ago these people were not registered as having the disease. I should imagine Spain has been more honest than most countries care to be, bearing in mind how many depend on tourism and stand to lose a great deal on top of the already disastrous economic situation that the virus has caused everywhere. I'm totally confident that most of Europe will catch up with Spain, given time!

As for someone saying the Spain had overtaken the US or Brazil in the number of infections- that's asolute rubbish!  Those countries have the highest number of infections.  Don't forget that there are thousands of unregistered infections in countries where there is no free health service and people are reluctant to be tested or see a doctor. In the US, in many states they only test you if you have symptoms even if you've been in contact with an infected person.

I was in Los Gallardos from 18th July to 9th August, back to the UK for 14 days quarantine and I'll be back out to Los Gallardos on 23rd September for a week. Then again for 10 days in October, then again for 10 days in November and so on through the winter. Masks will be worn of course but overall I've no worries.

Just read through all 10 pages here .... I’ll start by saying I have a business, so yes, I very much have a vested interest.

With regards a future lockdown - not from central government as Pedro Sanchez has devolved authority to request state of alarm to the individual autonomous regions.

To that end, please stop blaming “the government” - authority to manage response is devolved now almost entirely to the individual regions.

I’m in Vera.  We had 9 infections here, all linked to a family group - all traced and managed.  I will be VERY happy when September rolls around and the madrileños all go home!

Now the contentious part - future outlook.  How to manage? as a business owner, I have to make the place safe for clients or I will shut down, so we observe all protocols regarding masks, etc - but also hot wash and disinfect the place every night; plus other more esoteric methods :-D

As a business owner, I want to encourage people in and there is definitely a prevailing sense of “I’ll return ‘when I feel comfortable’” ... this is a dangerous attitude because like influenza, SARS, HIRS etc etc this is not going away anytime soon; by waiting until “I feel comfortable” you risk becoming as I’ve said before, like our caveman ancestors who would not venture from their caves in fear the sky would fall upon their heads.

We have to take care, take proper precautions, minimize risk - but we can’t live for the foreseeable future in fear, because the fear becomes established and entrenched and all of a sudden we find our lives irrevocably changed as we become too scared to venture out of our caves.

We have to beat Covid-19, we WILL beat Covid-19 - but we have to live as well.

that end, please stop blaming “the government” - authority to manage response is devolved now almost entirely to the individual regions.

Don't think you were willing to take that view with Boris. 

James 

Possibly, James, because unlike Spain, UK does not have devolved autonomous regions with their own governments, health systems etc etc.

UK is centralized government, with very very little devolution of power to local authorities.

1. At the outset of Covid-19 in Europe the message was loud and clear "Coronavirus Must Be Defeated." That translated to me that the virus must be wiped out entirely and as soon as possible.

2. The vaccine solution:- Nothing concrete yet, at least.

3. Live with Covid-19? - Are we happy to have collateral damage? i.e. sacrifice the aged, infirm, unhealthy etc. 

4. The devolution of reactions to Covid-19 to autonomous regions in Spain. Why? What are the implications? Is there something driving this? Is this a good thing? 

The devolution question is simply that the autonomous regions chafe at centralized control.  So Pedro Sánchez has given them what they asked for and now there are varying levels of discomfort at actually getting what they thought they wanted - because as ever, along with authority comes responsibility.

Is it a good thing? Beings each region has its own health service, I think it’s a neccessary thing in effectively managing it.

As to “Living with Covid-19”, what I meant was that whilst maintaining all possible means of protection, we still have to get on with our lives - we don’t necessarily have the luxury of hiding away until it’s gone.