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I refer the gentleman to the response I gave prev
Posted: Wed Sep 4, 2019 6:22pm
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I could reply to Andymac, but there's no point. In specific situations it is folly to be wise. However, I will take on board what any intelligent posters supporting Brexit have to say. Sorry Andy, I did my best for you before you became abusive, but like I already said "there's no point."
Does anybody know if there is the facility for me to ignore posts by Andymac?
It appears evidence that the recent "advice" of Boris Johnson to the Queen was made under false pretences. This could mean more problems for the Tories whether an election is called or not. For historical and political reasons I think this situation is worth watching.
Posted: Wed Sep 4, 2019 8:50pm
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Andymac1951 wrote on Wed Sep 4, 2019 6:22pm:
I refer the gentleman to the response I gave prev
In an attempt to debate though, Andy, I STILL await the specifics of what, exactly, is wrong with “The Lisbon Treaty”. I am genuinely interested.
I have been researching it quite thoroughly, and it is a fascinating piece of work, it’s purpose and intent quite transparent.
I have also seen references to “The Lisbon Treaty that comes into effect in 2020” .... is THIS the document you make reference to? If so, I have some extraordinarily good news for you ..... IT. DOES. NOT. EXIST.
This last supposed document was a scam meant to frighten the gullible.
Posted: Wed Sep 4, 2019 8:52pm
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Matthew wrote on Wed Sep 4, 2019 8:46pm:
It appears evidence that the recent "advice" of Boris Johnson to the Queen was made under false pretences. This could mean more problems for the Tories whether an election is called or not. For historical and political reasons I think this situation is worth watching.
Oh very much so. I cannot help but feel things are unraveling for BoJo ... he wasn’t hugely well received at the 1922 committee ... not very hopeful for a newly minted PM ....
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Posted: Wed Sep 4, 2019 8:53pm
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keith2412 wrote on Wed Sep 4, 2019 6:07pm:
Well done Dario, Andy quotes democracy. A no deal Brexit would be a ridiculous and UNDEMOCRATIC outcome what the right wing of the Tory party desire. The reasons for my reply and comments are as follows:
Lets talk democracy, first a no deal Brexit would have dire consequences for the border areas in Ireland a border put there by the British government against the elected poll of all the people of Ireland in 1919, the vote was 80 per cent for a united country some democracy!! that said after many ...
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...years of troubles compounded by the above so called democracy. 1997 saw a peace treaty agreed by all parties stated that there would not be a hard border in Ireland a no deal Brexit would indeed do just that. What right does an MP from Somerset, Uxbridge, Yorkshire or any other MP in the house of commons have on the people of Donegal ,Derry, Monaghan, or Armagh some democracy???
This Bo Jo prime minister who quite probably does not even know where these counties even are?? that said he suddenly dissolves the circus and furthermore takes the whips away from elected Tory MPs one of which is Winston Churchills grandson democracy???
Finally the referendum did not state any reference to a no deal Brexit and it would be also to note Andy, that Scotland and NI voted to stay in the EU where is their democracy??? I take my hat of with complete respect for those MPs who put the country first in the face of adversity and a pretentious half baked dictator!!
A very warm welcome to the debate Keith
Posted: Wed Sep 4, 2019 9:54pm
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I will refer the gentleman (not a U.K. citizen i believe) to the response I provided earl
Posted: Wed Sep 4, 2019 9:57pm
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I have never been abusive, I simply refer the gentleman to the responses I have provided earlier.
Posted: Wed Sep 4, 2019 10:16pm
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Andymac1951 wrote on Wed Sep 4, 2019 9:57pm:
I have never been abusive, I simply refer the gentleman to the responses I have provided earlier.
Why can - or will - you NEVER speak specifically to the issue of The Lisbon Treaty that you seem to perceive all ill with the EU stems from?
Throughout these multitude of pages, you have made known your antipathy towards the EU, calling it “undemocratic”, which was soundly refuted by Chrisso50, then pointing towards an elevated figure of UK contributions, which once again was refuted, but then you kept coming back to the evils of “The Lisbon Treaty”, yet never ONCE have you pointed to any particular point or paragraph in said Treaty that supports your assertions; when challenged, you say only “read it yourself”, or “research yourself”
These are arguments of a person who has no solid foundation on which to build their point. Saying “read it yourself” takes any power your statement may have had; it becomes baseless, without fact (much like BoJo’s “new agreement with the EU” claim)
So once again I challenge in open forum, WHAT exactly in The Lisbon Treaty raises your ire?
Posted: Wed Sep 4, 2019 10:23pm
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For fear of repeating myself I will have once again to refer the gentleman to the responses I gave previously.
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