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Petition to Revoke Article 50 - Page 42

DarioMartin

Posted: Tue Aug 6, 2019 5:19pm

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Posted: Tue Aug 6, 2019 5:19pm

Humphrey39 wrote on Tue Aug 6, 2019 5:04pm:

Let me know one day when it has all gone belly up due to thousands of ex pats voting for Brexit i have lived and worked in the EU for 50 yrs

I’m with you on that one - I’m very VERY pro EU and genuinely interested in why the EU is regarded in some quarters as the evil empire

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Posted: Tue Aug 6, 2019 7:10pm

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Posted: Tue Aug 6, 2019 7:10pm

Thank you Andy, I shall peruse them.  But you haven’t answered my question - what in particular do you find so odious about The Treaty of Lisbon? 

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Posted: Tue Aug 6, 2019 7:21pm

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Posted: Tue Aug 6, 2019 7:21pm

I have made myself clear on a number of occasions and will not repeat myself.  Read the Treaty for yourself.

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Posted: Tue Aug 6, 2019 7:37pm

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Andymac1951 wrote on Tue Aug 6, 2019 7:21pm:

I have made myself clear on a number of occasions and will not repeat myself.  Read the Treaty for yourself.

BUZZZZZZZ YESSSS!!! Ladies and gents, we have a winner!! Me!

The articles you sent were interesting, but seemed only to indicate that the Eurozone MIGHT be heading for a recession - MIGHT ... it in no way supports your assertion that the Eurozone is inherently evil and everyone would be better off as individual nation states.  And if the Eurozone is headed for such crisis ..... how can you possibly stand to live in it? And don’t blather that crap about the Eurozone and Europe being separate entities.

You recall I threw down the gauntlet and bet you wouldn’t answer the question by saying “read it yourself” or a variation thereof?

Thank you Andy - you have now just proved my point / theory whatever for all to see, that you have absolutely no credible support for your naked hatred of the EU.  

Just FYI, I have been back through all 40 odd pages and NOWHERE do you say what it is in The Lisbon Treaty that spells danger, what you hate.  You just say “read it yourself”.  I’m going to go out on a limb here Andy ... not only have you not read the Lisbon Treaty (and so can’t point to any particular article that disturbs you) but you don’t even understand the purpose of the Treaty, do you?

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Posted: Tue Aug 6, 2019 10:06pm

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Mr Martin, you obviously have far too much time on your hands.  Of course they say ‘might’ just as the Guardian and others of your favourite news outlets, predict that the UK might implode post BREXIT as they all said when the U.K. voted to leave.  It would seem to me that you are listening to only one side of the argument, that which plays to your narrative, and choose not to listen to  any other point of view, oh so remain of you.  The people’s of the U.K. voted to leave by a majority of 4% you do not have to like the outcome, especially so as you are living overseas, as indeed am I, but you should respect their wishes and the democratic process.  Now please do not come back at me with the same old, they did not know what they were voting for, or the really tired ‘ the lies of the side of the bus’ nonsense as that is well past its sell by date. I still doubt you have managed to read and or understand the Lisbon Treaty or its long term ramifications, perhaps ‘helicopter’ Chrisso could help you out with that one.

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Posted: Tue Aug 6, 2019 10:32pm

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Posted: Tue Aug 6, 2019 10:32pm

Andymac1951 wrote on Tue Aug 6, 2019 10:06pm:

Mr Martin, you obviously have far too much time on your hands.  Of course they say ‘might’ just as the Guardian and others of your favourite news outlets, predict that the UK might implode post BREXIT as they all said when the U.K. voted to leave.  It would seem to me that you are l...

...istening to only one side of the argument, that which plays to your narrative, and choose not to listen to  any other point of view, oh so remain of you.  The people’s of the U.K. voted to leave by a majority of 4% you do not have to like the outcome, especially so as you are living overseas, as indeed am I, but you should respect their wishes and the democratic process.  Now please do not come back at me with the same old, they did not know what they were voting for, or the really tired ‘ the lies of the side of the bus’ nonsense as that is well past its sell by date. I still doubt you have managed to read and or understand the Lisbon Treaty or its long term ramifications, perhaps ‘helicopter’ Chrisso could help you out with that one.

“When a democracy cannot change its mind, it ceases to be a democracy” - David Davis

Tsk tsk - those inconvenient truths eh? The tired old “respect the will” trope, flatly refusing to accept that attitudes might have changed.

Still, you once again reinforced your lack of knowledge by using two more of your standard responses “change where you get your news”, and “have you read the Treaty”, neatly (trying ...) to avoid the question put to you.  I won’t bother asking again - it’s blatantly clear you have not read the Lisbon Treaty, do not know the purpose it serves or indeed why it even came about.  It merely serves you to say “have you read the Lisbon Treaty?” Trying to sound erudite and educated.

You don’t. You have failed to put forward even one semi-plausible supporting argument, instead falling back time and time again on the same tired nonsense, accusing others of not researching whilst avoiding displaying your complete lack of knowledge of the subject matter.  

Some advice for you Andy; Sometimes ‘tis better to stay silent and be thought a fool, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.

There is now clearly, no doubt.

Matthew

Posted: Tue Aug 6, 2019 10:34pm

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Posted: Tue Aug 6, 2019 10:34pm

Night, Night Andy; Sleep tight and pleasant dreams and . . .. . . . Happy Christmas!

Matthew

Posted: Wed Sep 4, 2019 9:52am

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Hmmmmmmm. . . . .  I'm just back in Ireland from Mojacar and the Brexit debate has run for quite a bit since there was a contribution here. I met some of my Irish and Brit and Spanish friends while I was in Spain and Eureka! - Everybody is worried about Brexit, except guess whom; the Brits. There I am worried stiff about a hard border being reintroduced between Northern and the Republic of Ireland, trade deals, defence, passports, identification papers and a host of other concerns. My Brit friends appear not to give a whit (at this stage) about Brexit. Even the Salty Dog has a notice indicating that if anybody mentions "Brexit" a euro must be placed in the Poppy Box by the offender. Jay patrols the "B" word like his life depended on it. I wonder what conversations are allowed there.

Theresa May was sidelined (a Remainer getting too many of her Red Lines forced out). Mr Boris Johnson promises the sun, moon and stars and like Read My Lips Clinton has been backed into an embarrassing situation and probably will call a general election. His campaign to get other "important issues" back on track is dead in the water and now he shares Theresa May's stage. No matter which way you look at the general election there is really only one subject, Brexit or Remain.

Am I surprised at the course of events since March? - No, I informed everybody here what will happen and it is happening. My main fear is that things are happening too fast and it looks like there will be a general election next month in the UK. I reckon this is too soon for Boris and his Tories to feel the real needs and concerns of the people of the UK. While I was in Mojacar, I met one Brit who was really worried about Brexit. She is fifteen years of age and could see that on Brexit her future would be curtailed and lots of opportunities would not be available to her. The young lady is right; pity her older peers cannot see the woods from the trees and they even believe an Old Etonian who couldn't tell the truth if he had taken truth serum. But, there is still time . . . . I hope!

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Posted: Wed Sep 4, 2019 10:20am

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Boris and his Tories will NEVER feel the need of the people Matthew, they will remain blissfully and willfully utterly blind to the reality of the situation.  This is exemplified by BoJo going on about forcing the EU to a new deal when the EU has already said “no”, loudly and clearly, and despite being given “30 days” by Angela Merkel, has not even put anyone to work on finding “alternative means”, let alone put anything to the EU.

It was never his intention to do so.  I think he always intended to take UK out of EU with no deal, but in such a way as it made the EU look like the bad guys, not him.

He’s certainly backed himself into a corner, but has doubled down on that this morning, promising once again to “lead” UK out of EU on 31/10 deal or no deal ..... seemingly blind to the bleeding obvious that parliament doesn’t support no deal 🤦‍♂️ 

Still, removing the whip from 21 rebels is a great way to ensure a) those 21 vote against you again cos they’ve got nothing to lose and b) that you now no longer enjoy a majority in parliament and can therefore no longer “effectively govern”

Yes, a general election is a possibility .... but so also is a transition of power through a No Confidence vote, which Keir Starmer alluded to earlier today .....

But this is what happens if the leader of the country gets high on faery farts, unicorn poop and rainbows ......

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