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Brilliant !! :-D ... I like the bit about who is likely to succeed - "A Ranger's Jersey" :-D
Posted: Wed Apr 28, 2021 2:03pm
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Posted: Wed Apr 28, 2021 2:08pm
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Stuart47 wrote on Tue Apr 27, 2021 2:57pm:
And why not? Spain is not the EU. Spain is Spain, it is not any of the 27 countries Leave Voters had a problem with, it's the EU and its Federalist and Expansionist policy they wanted away from. Leavers consider all the 27 countries individually as friends and allies. Had the Common Market or the...
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... EEC of 1975, been as it was then in 2016, then the vote would have been to remain. Leavers wanted to remain the UK and not part of the United States of Europe.
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Posted: Wed Apr 28, 2021 2:15pm
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Matthew wrote on Tue Apr 27, 2021 3:10pm:
Stuart, let's keep the ball on the ground - any expat residing in Spain permanently who voted Leave needs to have his head examined - FACT, unless I'm losing my mind.
You don't know why people individually voted to Leave, unless of course you have some superhuman powers. There are many reasons why the UK public decided to leave. Some of them you have not mentioned....
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Neither do you know that "Had the Common Market or the EEC of 1975, been as it was then in 2016, then the vote would have been to remain."
Furthermore you don't know that "Leavers wanted to remain the UK and not part of the United States of Europe."
You may have these as your opinion and that is OK, but please don't play God suggesting you know how and why everybody voted.
FACT - how so? You do not speak for or know me at all and I doubt you know many, if any citizens of the UK who voted to leave but please do share your FACTS with us all. I never actually voted as I had made the decision to live in France at the time so felt I had no right in determining the outcome. I do however accept the result and the opinion of those who voted. Time will tell if they made the right one but I will never denigrate or abuse those who cast their vote.
Posted: Wed Apr 28, 2021 5:21pm
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Matthew wrote on Wed Apr 28, 2021 1:27pm:
Ultimately the likliehood of more unnecessary tit-for-tat killings (more need to pay protection, more drug dealing, more violence, more acrimony etc) - I regret to say and I sincerely hope I'm wrong.
In a short period of time I reckon Arlene Foster will have been looked on as a Snow White compared of what is to come....
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And I see breaking news - Arlene Foster has just resigned. She backed Brexit thinking it would be the making of her political career. Instead, it has ended it.
So ... now we hold our breath because things are about to get very very murky and tense in NI I think ... Popular opinion on newsfeeds is that Michelle O’Neill is likely to succeed her, not Paisley.
JimH, Matthew or any other Irish still on this thread - your views? Looking for an Irish perspective here
Posted: Wed Apr 28, 2021 5:42pm
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DarioMartin wrote on Wed Apr 28, 2021 5:21pm:
And I see breaking news - Arlene Foster has just resigned. She backed Brexit thinking it would be the making of her political career. Instead, it has ended it.
So ... now we hold our breath because things are about to get very very murky and tense in NI I think ... Popular opinion on newsfeeds is that Michelle O’Neill is likely to succeed her, not Paisley.
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JimH, Matthew or any other Irish still on this thread - your views? Looking for an Irish perspective here
The DUP/Unionists will be looking for a new leader who takes a strong stance against the Northern Ireland Protocol as they think it is separating them from the mainland and they are losing their Britishness. However the EU and U.K. negotiated the protocol as the alternative of a hard border on the Island of Ireland which is not allowed under the Good Friday Agreement. The Northern Ireland Protocol was far from perfect but without it then the prospect of a hard border increases. The consequences of a hard border are unimaginable and could lead to a return to the troubles of the 70’s.
Some serious negotiations and diplomacy will be required which is not Boris’s forte, I wouldn’t be surprised to see Biden becoming involving and appointing a Special Envoy
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Posted: Wed Apr 28, 2021 5:44pm
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DarioMartin wrote on Tue Apr 27, 2021 9:16am:
Andy loves Europe, but hates the EU (although was happy to benefit from Freedom of movement when first settling in France and then moving here), always urging others never to conflate the two, meaning to combine from two different data sources.
That may been have true 40 odd years ago, but the EU and Europe are now very much intertwined. Calling Europe the EU is not conflating - it’s recognition of reality....
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tr.v.con·flat·ed, con·flat·ing, con·flates
1. To bring together; meld or fuse: "The problems [with the biopic] include ... dates moved around, lovers deleted, many characters conflated into one" (Ty Burr).
2. To combine (two variant texts, for example) into one whole.
3. To fail to distinguish between; confuse.
Posted: Wed Apr 28, 2021 6:50pm
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Jimh wrote on Wed Apr 28, 2021 5:42pm:
The DUP/Unionists will be looking for a new leader who takes a strong stance against the Northern Ireland Protocol as they think it is separating them from the mainland and they are losing their Britishness. However the EU and U.K. negotiated the protocol as the alternative of a hard border on th...
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...e Island of Ireland which is not allowed under the Good Friday Agreement. The Northern Ireland Protocol was far from perfect but without it then the prospect of a hard border increases. The consequences of a hard border are unimaginable and could lead to a return to the troubles of the 70’s.
Some serious negotiations and diplomacy will be required which is not Boris’s forte, I wouldn’t be surprised to see Biden becoming involving and appointing a Special Envoy
To be honest, Biden becoming involved could be what is needed - it would take the pressure off the EU; I didn't mention UK because it doesn't appear from various different news reports as if Westminster really see this issue as pressure - or even as an issue. If USA are involved it drags all parties to the negotiating table. That being said, it could be just what Boris needs to drag media attention away from the Electoral Commission criminal investigation into his renovations and the release of issues by Dominic Cummings ... but with elections forthcoming in Scotland, this could also be just the thing Boris needs to open his mouth, say something asinine again and utterly destroy conservatives in Scotland - with the current raft of corruption and sleaze being reported, they are going to hurt up there anyway. Whichever way this plays, it's going to haunt the conservatives - Johnson is just not the man for the job
Posted: Wed Apr 28, 2021 7:36pm
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DarioMartin wrote on Wed Apr 28, 2021 6:50pm:
To be honest, Biden becoming involved could be what is needed - it would take the pressure off the EU; I didn't mention UK because it doesn't appear from various different news reports as if Westminster really see this issue as pressure - or even as an issue. If USA are involved it drags al...
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...l parties to the negotiating table. That being said, it could be just what Boris needs to drag media attention away from the Electoral Commission criminal investigation into his renovations and the release of issues by Dominic Cummings ... but with elections forthcoming in Scotland, this could also be just the thing Boris needs to open his mouth, say something asinine again and utterly destroy conservatives in Scotland - with the current raft of corruption and sleaze being reported, they are going to hurt up there anyway. Whichever way this plays, it's going to haunt the conservatives - Johnson is just not the man for the job
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The two important words in Northern Ireland are POWER SHARING. The unionists and nationalists signed up to that in the famous Good Friday Agreement. Unfortunately, many unionists had difficulty in translating what power sharing meant. Even Arlene Foster for years thought it meant "What We Have We Hold" and what's left will be shared with nationalists. Let's cut to the chase here the situation is Unionists -V- Sinn-Féin.
Unionists never wanted to deal with former gunmen/bombers (Sinn Féin) and even now many still refuse to deal with them. Hey Matt, what does that actually mean? We're getting into the Marching Season where unionists march wherever they wish showing assertion of their authority to their faithful and intimidating those nationalists whose streets they insist on marching through. The marchers must apply in advance for planning permission to march through nationalist areas but refuse to do so because some of the representatives of the nationalists are former IRA members.
The Irish language is important to many nationalists. Arlene Foster scoffed at the language for years and often referred to nationalists as crocodiles (e.g. "feed the crocodiles and they always come back for more"). It took Arlene Foster too long to conclude that she was feeding the hunger of extremist nationalists doing more harm to the unionist cause and without Sinn Féin having to say a word. Simply, Arlene Foster set herself up as a stool pigeon and the only people shooting against her were her own unionists. Easy win for nationalists! Own goal after own goal scored by the unionists while the nationalists just passed the ball around midfield.
Unionism has put its own back against the wall and most of them can't see this but continue to blame the nationalists whose numbers have been getting quietly stronger and stronger over the years. Whoever succeeds Arlene Foster will automatically become Northern Ireland's First Minister and will have to appease unionists more tan he/she thinks (probably a he where a she is needed).
The foregoing is a simplification of the whole situation. No doubt a die hard unionist would get dug into me insisting I'm wrong no matter what. But, unionism is tumbling down in NI and when they feel threatened they will be the first to raise arms and that is inbuilt in their thinking.
Posted: Wed Apr 28, 2021 8:12pm
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Matthew wrote on Wed Apr 28, 2021 8:00pm:
The two important words in Northern Ireland are POWER SHARING. The unionists and nationalists signed up to that in the famous Good Friday Agreement. Unfortunately, many unionists had difficulty in translating what power sharing meant. Even Arlene Foster for years thought it meant "What We Have We...
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... Hold" and what's left will be shared with nationalists. Let's cut to the chase here the situation is Unionists -V- Sinn-Féin.
Unionists never wanted to deal with former gunmen/bombers (Sinn Féin) and even now many still refuse to deal with them. Hey Matt, what does that actually mean? We're getting into the Marching Season where unionists march wherever they wish showing assertion of their authority to their faithful and intimidating those nationalists whose streets they insist on marching through. The marchers must apply in advance for planning permission to march through nationalist areas but refuse to do so because some of the representatives of the nationalists are former IRA members.
The Irish language is important to many nationalists. Arlene Foster scoffed at the language for years and often referred to nationalists as crocodiles (e.g. "feed the crocodiles and they always come back for more"). It took Arlene Foster too long to conclude that she was feeding the hunger of extremist nationalists doing more harm to the unionist cause and without Sinn Féin having to say a word. Simply, Arlene Foster set herself up as a stool pigeon and the only people shooting against her were her own unionists. Easy win for nationalists! Own goal after own goal scored by the unionists while the nationalists just passed the ball around midfield.
Unionism has put its own back against the wall and most of them can't see this but continue to blame the nationalists whose numbers have been getting quietly stronger and stronger over the years. Whoever succeeds Arlene Foster will automatically become Northern Ireland's First Minister and will have to appease unionists more tan he/she thinks (probably a he where a she is needed).
The foregoing is a simplification of the whole situation. No doubt a die hard unionist would get dug into me insisting I'm wrong no matter what. But, unionism is tumbling down in NI and when they feel threatened they will be the first to raise arms and that is inbuilt in their thinking.
And they always keep their toaster in a press/cupboard because they don’t like displaying their wealth 😂
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