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Andymac1951

Posted: Thu Sep 3, 2020 3:04pm

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Posted: Thu Sep 3, 2020 3:04pm

DarioMartin wrote on Wed Sep 2, 2020 9:56pm:

Probably because you haven’t actually posed any questions - just drivelled on and basically bored us with your blather ... but what questions have you actually posed? It’s possible there’s one but my eyes tend to glaze over with your mind-numbing prattle.

You sir are an insufferable bore and a verbal bully.  The way you treat the millions of UK citizens who voted leave and to take back control over their own Nation is nothing short of contemptuous.  Your condescending manner and attitude, along with your ardent follower Jen Jen, is at times hilarious but more often despicable.  Who is it that gave you the God given right to scorn those who had the temerity to disagree with your views some 4 plus years ago?  What is it that makes you, Jen Jen and all the others who voted remain, so dismissive of those who voted to leave? 

You say that you served in HM Armed Forces, that being so I imagine that you swore allegiance to HM Queen Elizabeth II and her Government, I doubt very much your oath demanded that you swear a similar allegiance to a bunch of Foreign MEP or Diplomats, please correct me if I am wrong.  Presumable you were also fighting for the freedoms and democratic rights of the citizens of the UK, those self-same rights, and freedoms, along with Democratic political views, you now so disapprove of as they do not align with your view of the world. 

You have the audacity to attack other members of this forum and fellow British Citizens when they quite rightly point out that had it not been for  huge sacrifices of the  British and Commonwealth Forces, along with those of the Allied Forces, Europe today would have been a much different place.  Yet now having retired from the Armed Forces you tell us all that you are ashamed to call yourself British, well in that I would have to agree, I too would be ashamed to call you British. 

What I don’t understand is that as you are now living and working in Spain, presumably legally and  resident here, yet you still feel it necessary to even comment on the actions of those who have chosen to remain in the UK.  Whether the UK had voted to stay or remain in the EU would make a jot of difference to you or all those others who have decided to leave the UK and live elsewhere, myself included.  What you seemingly fail to either understand or accept is the fact that Europe and its wonderfully diverse Nations, is not the EU and yet you and others constantly insist on conflating the 2.

I for my part decided to go live in France some 15 years ago, long before BREXIT was even thought of and it was always the aim to eventually relocate and retire to Spain, that we did 2 years ago and are now resident in Spain.  I am not an economist nor am I a politician so unlike your good self, who seems to have been blessed with such wisdom, I have no idea how BREXIT will pan out, only time will tell, but I would stand shoulder to shoulder with the majority who voted leave as the referendum was the largest single show of Democracy for many a year.  To diss the result, and verbally denigrate those who voted leave, as you do and have done on many occasions, is a sign of both your weakness and arrogance in full measure. 

You need to get a life, relax, and enjoy whatever time you have left and stop fighting a battle, which you and others lost, over 4 years ago.  Time may well prove you to be right, equally it may not, I doubt however that either of us we will be around to find out.

As a wise man once said, ‘I may disapprove of what you have to say but I will defend to the death your right to say it’.  On that note I will leave you and will not respond again to this thread, have a good day.  


DarioMartin

Posted: Thu Sep 3, 2020 3:29pm

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Andymac1951 wrote on Thu Sep 3, 2020 3:04pm:

You sir are an insufferable bore and a verbal bully.  The way you treat the millions of UK citizens who voted leave and to take back control over their own Nation is nothing short of contemptuous.  Your condescending manner and attitude, along with your ardent follower Jen Jen, i...

...s at times hilarious but more often despicable.  Who is it that gave you the God given right to scorn those who had the temerity to disagree with your views some 4 plus years ago?  What is it that makes you, Jen Jen and all the others who voted remain, so dismissive of those who voted to leave? 

You say that you served in HM Armed Forces, that being so I imagine that you swore allegiance to HM Queen Elizabeth II and her Government, I doubt very much your oath demanded that you swear a similar allegiance to a bunch of Foreign MEP or Diplomats, please correct me if I am wrong.  Presumable you were also fighting for the freedoms and democratic rights of the citizens of the UK, those self-same rights, and freedoms, along with Democratic political views, you now so disapprove of as they do not align with your view of the world. 

You have the audacity to attack other members of this forum and fellow British Citizens when they quite rightly point out that had it not been for  huge sacrifices of the  British and Commonwealth Forces, along with those of the Allied Forces, Europe today would have been a much different place.  Yet now having retired from the Armed Forces you tell us all that you are ashamed to call yourself British, well in that I would have to agree, I too would be ashamed to call you British. 

What I don’t understand is that as you are now living and working in Spain, presumably legally and  resident here, yet you still feel it necessary to even comment on the actions of those who have chosen to remain in the UK.  Whether the UK had voted to stay or remain in the EU would make a jot of difference to you or all those others who have decided to leave the UK and live elsewhere, myself included.  What you seemingly fail to either understand or accept is the fact that Europe and its wonderfully diverse Nations, is not the EU and yet you and others constantly insist on conflating the 2.

I for my part decided to go live in France some 15 years ago, long before BREXIT was even thought of and it was always the aim to eventually relocate and retire to Spain, that we did 2 years ago and are now resident in Spain.  I am not an economist nor am I a politician so unlike your good self, who seems to have been blessed with such wisdom, I have no idea how BREXIT will pan out, only time will tell, but I would stand shoulder to shoulder with the majority who voted leave as the referendum was the largest single show of Democracy for many a year.  To diss the result, and verbally denigrate those who voted leave, as you do and have done on many occasions, is a sign of both your weakness and arrogance in full measure. 

You need to get a life, relax, and enjoy whatever time you have left and stop fighting a battle, which you and others lost, over 4 years ago.  Time may well prove you to be right, equally it may not, I doubt however that either of us we will be around to find out.

As a wise man once said, ‘I may disapprove of what you have to say but I will defend to the death your right to say it’.  On that note I will leave you and will not respond again to this thread, have a good day.  


Well that was a whole load of **yaaawwwn**

I’m an insufferable bore? Pot / kettle black much?

Well sir, you sir I say are a devotee of Onan.

Jen jen

Posted: Thu Sep 3, 2020 3:41pm

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Posted: Thu Sep 3, 2020 3:41pm

Andymac1951 wrote on Thu Sep 3, 2020 3:04pm:

You sir are an insufferable bore and a verbal bully.  The way you treat the millions of UK citizens who voted leave and to take back control over their own Nation is nothing short of contemptuous.  Your condescending manner and attitude, along with your ardent follower Jen Jen, i...

...s at times hilarious but more often despicable.  Who is it that gave you the God given right to scorn those who had the temerity to disagree with your views some 4 plus years ago?  What is it that makes you, Jen Jen and all the others who voted remain, so dismissive of those who voted to leave? 

You say that you served in HM Armed Forces, that being so I imagine that you swore allegiance to HM Queen Elizabeth II and her Government, I doubt very much your oath demanded that you swear a similar allegiance to a bunch of Foreign MEP or Diplomats, please correct me if I am wrong.  Presumable you were also fighting for the freedoms and democratic rights of the citizens of the UK, those self-same rights, and freedoms, along with Democratic political views, you now so disapprove of as they do not align with your view of the world. 

You have the audacity to attack other members of this forum and fellow British Citizens when they quite rightly point out that had it not been for  huge sacrifices of the  British and Commonwealth Forces, along with those of the Allied Forces, Europe today would have been a much different place.  Yet now having retired from the Armed Forces you tell us all that you are ashamed to call yourself British, well in that I would have to agree, I too would be ashamed to call you British. 

What I don’t understand is that as you are now living and working in Spain, presumably legally and  resident here, yet you still feel it necessary to even comment on the actions of those who have chosen to remain in the UK.  Whether the UK had voted to stay or remain in the EU would make a jot of difference to you or all those others who have decided to leave the UK and live elsewhere, myself included.  What you seemingly fail to either understand or accept is the fact that Europe and its wonderfully diverse Nations, is not the EU and yet you and others constantly insist on conflating the 2.

I for my part decided to go live in France some 15 years ago, long before BREXIT was even thought of and it was always the aim to eventually relocate and retire to Spain, that we did 2 years ago and are now resident in Spain.  I am not an economist nor am I a politician so unlike your good self, who seems to have been blessed with such wisdom, I have no idea how BREXIT will pan out, only time will tell, but I would stand shoulder to shoulder with the majority who voted leave as the referendum was the largest single show of Democracy for many a year.  To diss the result, and verbally denigrate those who voted leave, as you do and have done on many occasions, is a sign of both your weakness and arrogance in full measure. 

You need to get a life, relax, and enjoy whatever time you have left and stop fighting a battle, which you and others lost, over 4 years ago.  Time may well prove you to be right, equally it may not, I doubt however that either of us we will be around to find out.

As a wise man once said, ‘I may disapprove of what you have to say but I will defend to the death your right to say it’.  On that note I will leave you and will not respond again to this thread, have a good day.  


Couldn't even make it to the end of your post,bored me half to death!

Just F.Y.I 

I didn't vote,don't vote and won't

No point!!!

I live here anyway....so why would I?

Oh,and I don't follow anybody,I leave the flock mentality to the sheep

JJ

Matthew

Posted: Thu Sep 3, 2020 3:42pm

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Posted: Thu Sep 3, 2020 3:42pm

Hi All, I don't think we should all fall out over a debate on whether it is good or bad for the UK to leave the EU. All of us have opinions and so what if we're wrong or right occasionally. There is enough suffering not too far from any of our doors. The people there just have to get on with life irrespective of their suffering. So here let's keep it friendly enough. I don't think name calling will hurt too many here. Most of us have necks of brass and no matter what we can trot down to the local restaurant anytime. People with real problems cannot trot anywhere anytime. 

Let's all take in one deep breath and be thankful that we are not those in suffering. Everything's relevant.

Jen jen

Posted: Thu Sep 3, 2020 3:54pm

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Posted: Thu Sep 3, 2020 3:54pm

Well said Matthew

Agreeing with you is becoming a bad habit!!!

lol

Read this earlier and it made me laugh

"They told me wearing a mask and gloves to go shopping was enough...they were wrong,everybody else was wearing clothes"

You gotta laugh!!!

JJ

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Jenni

Posted: Thu Sep 3, 2020 4:00pm

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Posted: Thu Sep 3, 2020 4:00pm

I am the only one that doesn't know what a Devotee of Onan is???? (O and I have staying power I read AndyMacs to the end!!!)

and surprise surprise I am agreeing with Matthew!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Nicely now.

Regards to all Jenni

Stuart47

Posted: Thu Sep 3, 2020 4:02pm

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Posted: Thu Sep 3, 2020 4:02pm

Andymac1951 wrote on Thu Sep 3, 2020 3:04pm:

You sir are an insufferable bore and a verbal bully.  The way you treat the millions of UK citizens who voted leave and to take back control over their own Nation is nothing short of contemptuous.  Your condescending manner and attitude, along with your ardent follower Jen Jen, i...

...s at times hilarious but more often despicable.  Who is it that gave you the God given right to scorn those who had the temerity to disagree with your views some 4 plus years ago?  What is it that makes you, Jen Jen and all the others who voted remain, so dismissive of those who voted to leave? 

You say that you served in HM Armed Forces, that being so I imagine that you swore allegiance to HM Queen Elizabeth II and her Government, I doubt very much your oath demanded that you swear a similar allegiance to a bunch of Foreign MEP or Diplomats, please correct me if I am wrong.  Presumable you were also fighting for the freedoms and democratic rights of the citizens of the UK, those self-same rights, and freedoms, along with Democratic political views, you now so disapprove of as they do not align with your view of the world. 

You have the audacity to attack other members of this forum and fellow British Citizens when they quite rightly point out that had it not been for  huge sacrifices of the  British and Commonwealth Forces, along with those of the Allied Forces, Europe today would have been a much different place.  Yet now having retired from the Armed Forces you tell us all that you are ashamed to call yourself British, well in that I would have to agree, I too would be ashamed to call you British. 

What I don’t understand is that as you are now living and working in Spain, presumably legally and  resident here, yet you still feel it necessary to even comment on the actions of those who have chosen to remain in the UK.  Whether the UK had voted to stay or remain in the EU would make a jot of difference to you or all those others who have decided to leave the UK and live elsewhere, myself included.  What you seemingly fail to either understand or accept is the fact that Europe and its wonderfully diverse Nations, is not the EU and yet you and others constantly insist on conflating the 2.

I for my part decided to go live in France some 15 years ago, long before BREXIT was even thought of and it was always the aim to eventually relocate and retire to Spain, that we did 2 years ago and are now resident in Spain.  I am not an economist nor am I a politician so unlike your good self, who seems to have been blessed with such wisdom, I have no idea how BREXIT will pan out, only time will tell, but I would stand shoulder to shoulder with the majority who voted leave as the referendum was the largest single show of Democracy for many a year.  To diss the result, and verbally denigrate those who voted leave, as you do and have done on many occasions, is a sign of both your weakness and arrogance in full measure. 

You need to get a life, relax, and enjoy whatever time you have left and stop fighting a battle, which you and others lost, over 4 years ago.  Time may well prove you to be right, equally it may not, I doubt however that either of us we will be around to find out.

As a wise man once said, ‘I may disapprove of what you have to say but I will defend to the death your right to say it’.  On that note I will leave you and will not respond again to this thread, have a good day.  


I think Andy, it is just best to ignore these two arrogant individuals. By doing so they will have nothing to feed on and it will infuriate them. I'm absolutely sure they will not even be able to resit replying in some derogatory way to this advice. 

Mathew I think has made the point. 

Jen jen

Posted: Thu Sep 3, 2020 4:41pm

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Posted: Thu Sep 3, 2020 4:41pm

Stuart47 wrote on Thu Sep 3, 2020 4:02pm:

I think Andy, it is just best to ignore these two arrogant individuals. By doing so they will have nothing to feed on and it will infuriate them. I'm absolutely sure they will not even be able to resit replying in some derogatory way to this advice. 

Mathew I think has made the point. 

Nothing to feed on? Are you for real?

I'm plenty entertaining all by myself!!

Funny

JJ

Fresh

Posted: Fri Sep 4, 2020 8:27am

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Posted: Fri Sep 4, 2020 8:27am

Damn.  Missed all the fun with the Mail readers

DarioMartin

Posted: Fri Sep 4, 2020 11:54am

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Posted: Fri Sep 4, 2020 11:54am

Interesting article by Oliver Kamm in The Times today, regarding negotiation of trade agreement:

“Almost all economists support free trade. Yet the logic is often counterintuitive, even to prominent business leaders and politicians. Yesterday, amid speculation that Tony Abbott might be appointed to a role in Brexit negotiations, ministers hailed the former Australian prime minister as an “expert in trade”.

Whether or not Mr Abbott is the right person for the job, Britain needs trade expertise. At the heart of that expertise should be an understanding of trade economics. It will lead to the conclusion that, as a medium-sized economy with a persistent current account deficit, Britain does not hold all the cards. Our negotiators should prize the goal of a deep and wide free trade agreement encompassing not only tariffs but also non-tariff barriers, such as rules of origin, and acknowledge that giving up substantial sovereignty to achieve it is a rational trade-off.

Economists reason that if countries reduce, and preferably eliminate, trade barriers, then this will raise real incomes across the board. The mechanism is comparative advantage. Free trade allows countries to specialise in what they produce, thereby raising productivity and boosting living standards.

The theory points to certain conclusions that are amply confirmed in practice but aren’t obvious. First, the ability to specialise means that a country can benefit by importing goods even if it can produce them more efficiently than its trading partners. Second, the conventional wisdom that exports are a good thing and imports a cost has it the wrong way round. In fact, imports are a benefit. They expand consumer choice and pressure domestic producers to improve the range and quality of their output. Exports are the price we pay for these gains. Third, the gains from comparative advantage are so great that eliminating barriers to imports unilaterally makes sense.

If free trade is such a great idea, why don’t we just get rid of trade barriers even if other countries don’t reciprocate? Why should Britain bother with trade negotiations at all? There is a seductive logic to this, but there is also an answer. The principle of reciprocity in trade liberalisation, formalised in trade agreements, makes it harder for governments to backtrack under pressure from domestic import-competing producers. Moreover, there are individual losers from free trade. There is no frictionless flow of workers across sectors. If Britain’s carmakers face a 10 per cent import tariff from the European Union (as they will be in the event of a no-deal Brexit), then workers in the industry will lose their jobs.

What do these considerations mean for Brexit negotiators? First, although Britain has run a deficit on its current account for more than 20 years (amounting to 3.8 per cent of GDP in the first quarter), this doesn’t mean it’s in pole position in negotiating a trade agreement. The argument would be that the EU would lose export earnings without a trade deal. Yet there’s no particular benefit to running a current account surplus. A deficit simply means that there are more profitable investment opportunities than can be met by domestic savings. There’s no reason why these numbers should lead the EU to make concessions to preserve something close to the status quo.

Second, in trade economics there is a very robust finding known as the gravity equation. It predicts that bilateral trade between two parties depends largely on the size of these respective economies and the distance between them. The evidence is that large and close economies trade more than small and distant ones. Britain’s trading interests, even outside the EU, will be served more by a deep relationship with the huge single market on its doorstep than by an agreement with smaller economies, such as Australia and New Zealand. Our negotiators would do well to understand that.”


https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/free-trade-is-the-goal-of-all-negotiators-but-what-does-it-mean-qj2j7ld5t

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