Wearing A Mask in public - Page 3

You make some interesting points but Im unsure what your message is. Are you simply saying there is nothing humanity can do? or are you inferring there is a conspiracy amongst world leaders to put extra layers of control over their populations? or are you advocating another approach to protecting people against the effects of Covid? 

As an 'ex microbiologist' please then explain why surgeons and other health professionals wear masks?

Been debated all ready if you read the thread properly. 

“The numbers of people who died are less than 1% so you are not protecting anyone.”

So, we are protecting the 1%, are we not?  That’s half a million in Spain and 600k in the UK

“People also believe the vaccination will stop them getting the virus - no it does not. It only works if you have an active immune system“

I’m sure you know that a vaccine ‘educates’ the immune system to recognise certain proteins on the virus and attack it, because it contains a de-natured virus (in effect, a copy of COVID that can’t infect the body). Yes, the immune system ‘forgets’ over time hence the need for boosters. It’s not perfect but the point of vaccinations is to enable immune systems to fight back to minimise the risk of serious illness.  The fact that COVID will mutate and infect people isn’t the point - it’s about avoiding serious illness or death

Masks reduce droplet spread. Far from perfect but better than nothing. They also cause the wearer to think about behaviour and avoid risk. 

Finally I noticed a difference pre and during omicron here in the uk. In my local supermarket , mask wearing went from about 10% to about 98% in about two days before rules were imposed

Hello,

Sorry to say you have not read properly what I am saying about mask wearing being useless, totally useless.

Yes, your mask will get wet on the inside (which is bad for general health anyway) but it does not stop the virus being carried on your breath far further than 1.5m or 2m whichever distance is deemed safe.

Think of seeing peoples breath on a cold and frosty morning? Only visible by the cold temperature condensing ie fusing together small droplets, too small to se with a microscope to make slightly bigger vapour that is capable of deflecting light. You really have to get a grip on how small a virus is and how far any air current can travel with live virus and two metres is not the limit?

Even if you believe the mask stopped any transmisssion of the virus the amount of virus escaping is enough to give transmission. Even the best propoganda states masks are fifty percent useless or fifty percent efficient. If you let the virus out you have controlled nothing.

I repeat also that you are advised to wear a face covering, not a medically approved mask. How does that work exactly? A scarf is a face covering......

As you quite rightly point out the vaccine (which is really worthy of another thread itself) does not stop you getting the virus nor stop you from being a carrier. If your immune system works then it becomes educated. Even if your antibody level goes down some 'memory' can exist and all cases are different, this one has not been identified yet but some are memorised and some not. It is normal for your antibody level to go back to zero? It is expensive for the immune system to churn out this kind of stuff. Think of the analogy that our streets would be safe if police were stationed every 100m around your town ready to respond to any emergency, day and night. When you got your local tax bill you would say no, maybe 200m then 300m then possibly not any? No crime equals no police?

I am going to ask any readers to look at three things

One

Find a graph of deaths in any country in Europe and mark on the plot when lockdown started and when it was removed, do the same for mask wearing and if you can find it show me the change in slope of the graph that should happen within a week or two weeks.

Two

Find any article that says that funeral parlours were overrun in the last twelve months?

Three

Find out official figures that show many people died in any of the two years this has been going on, OVER the normal number of people dying?

If these numbers were useful to those who go on about the 'danger' (mainstream press) they would be headlines but they are not. Surely politicians would be throwing them at you to justify the measaures? The reality is that they are in a hole created by irresponsible mainstream reporting and public pressure to do something and they are fuelling each other.

Politicians mostly get this scenario but they want the popular vote and so what can they do? Humans have an overbalanced ego when it comes to taming nature, it is not in our natural psyche to think that there is nothing we have done that works or to believe the smallest unit of life on the planet can cause humans to self destruct on such a massive scale.

I look forward to hearing from you! :)

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Shay, I'm on the verge of blocking your contributions here like I did with  AndyMac some months ago. Tell you what though. I'll continue to wear a facemask to keep myself and those around me safe from that killer Coronavirus, Covid, Omicron or whatever name it goes by. Use whatever semantics you wish as most of us care about others and do what we can to get ourselves out of the Covid situation. 

Newsflash:- People are still dying because of Covid, many more are suffering, many businesses will not open their doors again. Many more are suffering loss of income. Covid is a dreadful killer diseasee and we must use everything we can to fight it. Do whatever you want to do, but please don't try to stop others doing the right thing.

The truth is always blunt and that makes it hard to take, feel free to block free speech and facts? Very little of what I said is my opinion and facts speak louder than rhetoric and last longer too. Everything I wote here is fact based not ideas, I am confident that all this will come out in the end. Nobody is forced to do anything here by me except ask some questions about your life and the current restrictions, whether they work in reality or not. People die everyday but this virus is not extra deaths - it is your own choice to believe what you want?

Amazing how the pointy needle of truth annoys people,,,,,

The Netherlands is probably the country with most protests against Covid restrictions in the EU. 85% of the adult population has received at least two doses of the vaccine and yet of yesterday (Christmas Week) a total lockdown of non essential services was reintroduced until January 2022. Such is the potential dreadful situation regarding Omicron there. 

Netherlands to go into lockdown over Christmas period (rte.ie)

Bear in mind more than 30% of the population of London has yet to get the first vaccine. And until recently travellers in the public transport systems there didn't have to wear a mask. They do now. Omicron is a killer, let's not aid it. Wear a mask.

Yes and vaccine passes are now needed in Andalucia since Friday for all indoor activities.

Fear is more contagious than the virus. How an indoor pass system will stop what a total lockdown didn't is a system of belief not science.

We will be in the same situation next winter and the winter after that as the Covid19 has muscled 'flu' out of the equation. Flu mutated about the same rate every year and the flu vaccine was a cocktail of  two or more strains of flu as anticipated a year in advance, in order for enough vaccine to be ready for winter. Only the old and the vulenerable were offered the vaccine along with key workers with limited success.

Interesting how flu 'killed' tens of thousands each winter and was ignored, ICUs complaining they didn't have the staff etc.

How is any of this changing the future? Even if 100% of people are vaccinated the virus mutates and your vaccine lasts 6 months at present. The UK rollout is now on ten months and ongoing. Are we really going to be vaccinated every 6 months? Are we really going to be tested everytime we travel over an international border (but can travel further inside a country)?

Dose of realism would help more because businesses and the economies we rely on are suffering real harm, the mental strain on people from fear is now beginning to mount and be realised, the patients who need cancer and heart treatments are suffering (and each have more deaths per year than covid)and yet there are no more people in the graveyards than any other year??

Interesting statistic I learned a while ago. The number of schoolage children labelled as covid deaths is less than the number of children killed in car accidents.

After two years of sitting by and waiting for the world to get real, all you will see in newspapers and tv, along with personal contributions is not based on reality. The media has a vested interest in spinning the story, medicine and science is dependent on money from companies and most self-respecting scientists will not debate this in public because of the type of discussion that this thread is typical of.

Try answering the three questions I posed and see if it is true or not. Holland has no increased deaths over any other year, nothing extra?

It is time to start taking back control of our lives, we gave in because we trusted our 'authorities' to behave responsibly but they knew the truth and used behavioural psychologists to persuade us that politicians would respond and deal with the crisis and stop us from panicking. Now they have dug a hole for themselves, how to get out of this? Vaccination is not working, lockdown and the masks have not worked, Where do we go from here?

Anyway it answers a 45 year old question for me. In 1968 millions died of that flu and there was no panic buying in the shops, we got on with life. Now, 2020 on...? If it ever comes to "the big one" the real 'killer virus' that wipes out really large percentages, we will never cope.

As a commentator tweeeted

" Date 2016: note to Time Travellers -This is about as good as it gets for a while"

Note to anyone still reading the thread, have a good holiday, do kiss and hug those you love, it will not kill you and it is good for your heart and wellbeing! :) :)