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Stuart47

Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2022 9:44am

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Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2022 9:44am

Jenni wrote on Wed Jul 27, 2022 11:47pm:

Why is someone a numpty just because he/she doesn't agree with you.

It's because Dario has no other argument and we all know if you don't agree with Dario's hatred of all that is British he turns to insults. He's an arrogant man.

Anti Brexit campaigners will used every thing and anything to blame Brexit for all that is wrong in the UK and even the world. Some even have the ignorance and audacity to say that over 17 million voters did so because they are racists, what an absolutely absurd and ridiculous statement to make, mosty their arguments are futile and aimeb ecause the people of the UK had the audacity to vote against what the establishment and they revered and believed in. I've even heard ridiculous argument from Remainers that Brexit was the cause behind the heinous war in Ukrain and of course everything bad that has impacted on all economies as a result of the war such as shortages of fuel, energy and other goods to be a direct result of Brexit. Their ridiculous comments demonstrates hatred not logic and they need help.

Dario regularly likes to inform us that British Empire no longer exists, yet continues to support the failing empire of the EU. By the way, you could compare the EU similarly with the East India Company in the way it is run...not exactly, but there are similarities.

The people of the UK democratically voted to leave the EU, it was our right to do so and our decision.  

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Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2022 10:10am

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Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2022 10:10am

Stuart47 wrote on Thu Jul 28, 2022 9:44am:

It's because Dario has no other argument and we all know if you don't agree with Dario's hatred of all that is British he turns to insults. He's an arrogant man.

Anti Brexit campaigners will used every thing and anything to blame Brexit for all that is wrong in the UK and even the world. Some even have the ignorance and audacity to say that over 17 million voters did so because they are racists, what an absolutely absurd and ridiculous statement to make, ...

...mosty their arguments are futile and aimeb ecause the people of the UK had the audacity to vote against what the establishment and they revered and believed in. I've even heard ridiculous argument from Remainers that Brexit was the cause behind the heinous war in Ukrain and of course everything bad that has impacted on all economies as a result of the war such as shortages of fuel, energy and other goods to be a direct result of Brexit. Their ridiculous comments demonstrates hatred not logic and they need help.

Dario regularly likes to inform us that British Empire no longer exists, yet continues to support the failing empire of the EU. By the way, you could compare the EU similarly with the East India Company in the way it is run...not exactly, but there are similarities.

The people of the UK democratically voted to leave the EU, it was our right to do so and our decision.  

I would be very interested to read the benefits that Brexit has brought to the UK. Could you please list them . Perhaps a persuasive and substantial list of benefits might enlighten me as to why Brexit was a good Idea for the majority of UK citizens, not just the wealthy trying to dodge European tax rules.

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Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2022 10:13am

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Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2022 10:13am

Stuart47 wrote on Thu Jul 28, 2022 9:44am:

It's because Dario has no other argument and we all know if you don't agree with Dario's hatred of all that is British he turns to insults. He's an arrogant man.

Anti Brexit campaigners will used every thing and anything to blame Brexit for all that is wrong in the UK and even the world. Some even have the ignorance and audacity to say that over 17 million voters did so because they are racists, what an absolutely absurd and ridiculous statement to make, ...

...mosty their arguments are futile and aimeb ecause the people of the UK had the audacity to vote against what the establishment and they revered and believed in. I've even heard ridiculous argument from Remainers that Brexit was the cause behind the heinous war in Ukrain and of course everything bad that has impacted on all economies as a result of the war such as shortages of fuel, energy and other goods to be a direct result of Brexit. Their ridiculous comments demonstrates hatred not logic and they need help.

Dario regularly likes to inform us that British Empire no longer exists, yet continues to support the failing empire of the EU. By the way, you could compare the EU similarly with the East India Company in the way it is run...not exactly, but there are similarities.

The people of the UK democratically voted to leave the EU, it was our right to do so and our decision.  

Stuart living in the UK i cannot see any benefits of brexit. I can see massive shortages empty shelves in supermarkets, shortage of staff everywhere. No freedom of movement so i cannot go to Spain for longer than 90 days. 

Stuart47

Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2022 10:31am

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Mike57 wrote on Thu Jul 28, 2022 10:13am:

Stuart living in the UK i cannot see any benefits of brexit. I can see massive shortages empty shelves in supermarkets, shortage of staff everywhere. No freedom of movement so i cannot go to Spain for longer than 90 days. 

The shortages are not just in the UK they are world-wide. 2 years of Covid is more to blame for this.

The UK, last year March to March, issued over one million right to remain visas for immigration. The ending of freedom of movement is so we can determine who we want to come with the skills that we need. If the UK is so bad why are thousands of immigrants leaving France to cross the Channel to enter the UK illegally? This is not a racist statement but meant to demonstrate they know the UK is better than any EU country to live. 

The issue with the 90 day third country regulation is unfortunate and due to Brexit, but Brexit was not about retired Brits living in Spain. 

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Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2022 10:36am

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Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2022 10:36am

Juliet Diaz wrote on Thu Jul 28, 2022 10:10am:

I would be very interested to read the benefits that Brexit has brought to the UK. Could you please list them . Perhaps a persuasive and substantial list of benefits might enlighten me as to why Brexit was a good Idea for the majority of UK citizens, not just the wealthy trying to dodge European ...

...tax rules.

This has been listed many times on other threads, so I'm not going into that.

The main reason is self government and to make our own laws by those we elect.

The rich in the EU avoid paying taxes too, just look at who runs the EU bank.

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Juliet Diaz

Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2022 11:01am

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Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2022 11:01am

Stuart47 wrote on Thu Jul 28, 2022 10:36am:

This has been listed many times on other threads, so I'm not going into that.

The main reason is self government and to make our own laws by those we elect.

The rich in the EU avoid paying taxes too, just look at who runs the EU bank.

Can you please direct me to one of those threads as I haven't seen any. I'm being serious though. All I can see are disadvantages and costs to the British public. The UK government could always get out of imposing EU regulations they didn't agree with just as all the other EU countries do. And yes, I know that tax evasion occurs everywhere but that doesn't make it right in the UK.

Stuart47

Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2022 11:15am

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Juliet Diaz wrote on Thu Jul 28, 2022 11:01am:

Can you please direct me to one of those threads as I haven't seen any. I'm being serious though. All I can see are disadvantages and costs to the British public. The UK government could always get out of imposing EU regulations they didn't agree with just as all the other EU countries do. And ye...

...s, I know that tax evasion occurs everywhere but that doesn't make it right in the UK.

Look through Benefits of Brexit thread.

No one has said that it is OK to evade tax in the UK. You said Brexit was all about rich Brits avoid EU tax laws, which is not the case. 

Jenni

Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2022 11:29am

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Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2022 11:29am

Matthew wrote on Thu Jul 28, 2022 7:37am:

Jenni, Would you please read some of the posts at least before you reply?  Nobody was called a numpty just because of mere disagreement. But, then again we're dealing with a Jenni who wants the Grand National banned. And even I didn't call you a numpty as I believe in free speech. 

But, don't feel isolated because you're not the only one in this position....

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Matthew, its you that should  read the post before you comment. On Wednesday July 27th @ 11.27. Dario posted and I quote

' I see Stuart has not changed from being a numpty who lives in his own little fantasy world.'  unquote.

So not only did he call someone a numpty he actually named that person.

Its OK Matthew I wont hold my breath for an apology.

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Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2022 11:35am

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Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2022 11:35am

DarioMartin wrote on Thu Jul 28, 2022 8:10am:

Rees-Moog seems to think it’s closer to 50 years before any “benefits” can be seen - and he’s the Brexit Minister.  But what does he know.  50 years is long enough for people to forget anyone promised them any benefits, so well played Rees-Mogg.

But in 50 years time Brexit will just be a bad memory.  The Anti EU crowd complained and gnashed their teeth for close on 40 years until they got sufficient support to get their way.  Rejoin will be exactly the same - it’ll be the long game and saying “get over it” will have no po...

...wer.  You can expect these arguments to continue for at least another 30 - 40 years, and the youth who are the leaders and voters of tomorrow are predominantly pro EU.  It may take another 30 years, but UK will be back - they can’t afford not to be.  As I have said numerous times before, there is no more Empire, UK has chosen to be one small country outside the economic power of a United block.  And isn’t that UKs argument? “Stronger Together”? or does that only apply when Scotland seeks independence from Westminster rule … bit hypocritical.

But the arguments about “running our own country”, “getting our country back”, “regaining our sovereignty” or “control of our borders” are just so much horsefeathers - Britain always was a sovereign country with control of its borders (despite having “control of its borders”, net migration from countries outside the EU has increased since Brexit), and any EU legislation it didn’t like, it could have veto’d - it had that power … 

but the thing Brexit supporters don’t like to acknowledge is that half the legislation people whinge about having “forced” on them, Britain helped actually draft!  The remainder it didn’t veto or vote against.  With Farage as an MEP, he was too busy grandstanding by turning his back on the EU parliament - you have him to thank for the fishing industry in UK going into decline, by the way. He dropped the ball on that quite significantly.

Dario, you actually state in this post 'That as you have stated numerous times before'   Well dont you ever get tired of your own voice.!!!

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Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2022 11:43am

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Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2022 11:43am

Mike57 wrote on Thu Jul 28, 2022 10:13am:

Stuart living in the UK i cannot see any benefits of brexit. I can see massive shortages empty shelves in supermarkets, shortage of staff everywhere. No freedom of movement so i cannot go to Spain for longer than 90 days. 

Mike, I am moving back to the UK shortley, and have been over quite a few times arranging things etc. I was in the West Country, and I did not see any of the things you mention here. The supermarket shelves in 3 supermarkets were full, thats, Tesco, Waitrose, and Asda. As long as you bought British goods then the prices were fine, if you bought imported goods. e.g. Lurpac Butter, then yes you pay thru the nose.  The only thing that was expensive was Clothes. they seem to have gone thru the roof, so my advice to anyone moving back, is go to the charity shops here and stock up before you leave.  So could it be that shortages are more prevalent in different areas.?

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