Petition to Revoke Article 50 - Page 62

I stopped reading the majority of your nonsense after the “unelected” bit about EU - yet again displaying either ignorance or willfull stupidity, either way, you simply reinforce my comments - many thanks.

As to where I live, your “reading back” has clearly not been too careful - either that or you simply can’t understand words with more than two syllables .... I own a business in Spain, live in Spain full time, pay taxes in Spain and call Spain home 

As to keeping a civil tongue .... I think perhaps you should heed your own advice.  Good at giving it out (well, “good” is perhaps too strong) but incapable of receiving it.  Again. Hypocrite. 

No more feeding now - certain errors needed pointing out though.  

Oh dear me Chrisso, so now we have the Mario Dario / Chrisso mutually appreciation society and any one who dares to differ from their view of life becomes a ‘troll’, is insulted and lambasted, god bless you both for your narrow minded un democratic views.  It would seem however that there is now a good chance of a deal and the U.K. will Indeed leave the EU clutches.  Or perhaps it is just a ploy by Johnson to get the U.K. parliament to vote it down and thereby be able to walk away without a deal.  I have offered up opinion, not just my own, and comment from people more versed in economics than I and yet you still refuse to at least acknowledge that they, and thus I, have a different view of BREXIT and the world.

The longer the Brexit negotiation process has gone on, the wider the gap has grown between the original democratic deference owed to the idea of ‘leaving’ in 2016 and the real-world consequences of the detailed version on offer in 2019. 

Johnson’s edited version of the May deal will not pass muster on Saturday. The DUP won’t back it and they lack legitimacy anyway, they certainly don’t represent N. Ireland which voted Remain in 2016 and that country is even more committed now towards remaining in the EU. 

The rebel 22 Tories won’t back it. Some blue Labour might but the Spartans in the ERG Party within the Tory party won’t. So - given that for two years the U.K. has no longer backed Brexit anyway - we are left on Saturday with several parliamentary options:

*Revoke A50

*Fix a #FinalSay referendum

*Table a VONC

*Sanction a General Election ...

But above all, obtain an extension from the EU.

Chris

Chrisso,

In that we can agree, I believe it to be a ploy by Johnson to force a GE as neither the DUP or the Labour Party will accept it.  Following a GE I believe that Parliament will be filled with a majority of ‘leave’ MPs as the electorate turn their backs on the establishment following 3 plus years of stagnation and Parliamentary abuse.  

I think it is wise to wait until the vote is taken on Saturday before we comment further on Brexit. We've been at this point before and there is no point in fighting battles that don't have to be won. There will be more important battles after Saturday.  

Saturday is a critical point and abstain until then just stifles discourse.

Back in early 2018, Rees-Smug issued a not-so-veiled threat to May. “I’m sure that the prime minister knows her history, and I’m sure that she knows how Peel got the repeal of the corn laws through. No Conservative leader would ever wish to get through so major a piece of legislation again on the back of opposition votes.”

‌Well, here we are in late 2019. There’s a new prime minister, Rees-Smug is now Leader of the Commons and, guess what, the Tory party look like they can only get their latest Brexit deal through on the back of opposition votes. Peel needed the Whigs and the Radicals. Johnson needs the Nandys and the Kinnocks.

‌The DUP never bluff. With the unionist party coming out firmly against the PM’s plan, the numbers are looking extremely tight for Saturday’s vote. But there are some Labour MPs who are seriously considering backing Johnson’s deal. They will face automatic deselection if they do so. Will they abstain?

Ironic is it not, we are told time and time again that an elected MP does what he or she believes to be in the best interests of their constituents and the Country, some even ‘jump ship’ because they disagree with the party line.  Yet here with have the spectacle of a Party deselecting it’s own MPs for doing what they believe is best, you really could not make it up.

I agree with you Andy - ironic is putting it mildly.  How can parliament be expected to work properly if the beliefs of the MP’s - be it either for country or constituency - are stifled?

They’d surely have a crisis of conscience - you’d hope; even if they represent leave constituencies, or are leave-minded themselves, to vote for a deal that rolls workers rights back to the dark ages just because “it’s a deal” is surely the antithesis of all Labour stands for?