Petition to Revoke Article 50 - Page 28

Some of us have been saying this from the beginning. Good man Ian! Welcome to the club.

Hi there, just as you have done you mean - not. Or is it a case of do what I say and not what I do?  If you, Dario, would care to check the comments you will see that it was Matt who first bought up the subject of ISIS brides.

Newsflash! Andy,

I merely pointed out that and Isil bride who has an Irish passport will be welcomed back in Ireland along with her child. 

First Rule of Democracy:- All Children of the State will be treated equally.

Second Rule of Democracy:- All people are innocent until proved guilty.

For the record Irish people fought on both sides during the Spanish Civil War and were welcomed back to Ireland after the conflict.

And you, who went off at a tangent responding to it spreading bile and venom.

You’ll note that where I specifically wanted to address a remark you’ve made, I’ve quoted you.

You’ve still not answered as to whether you agree with or were a supporter of Moseley though - this is a valid question, directly linked to Brexit and speaks to the beliefs of some of those who seek to leave.

You’ve gone on at length about the unity of Britain during previous conflicts and the bravery of those called to serve (for that I thank you for your acknowledgement - I’m an HM Forces Veteran who served overseas) - but it wasn’t always so, in the 30’s Moseley gained some support.  After the war, he himself though preached for a United Europe .... probably not in the same manner as has been established now ... but even he saw the benefit of a United Europe ....

This discussion has become ridiculous and has strayed far from the original debate, that being BREXIT and the cancellation of article 50 and denying 17.4 million of there democratic rights I will not take any further part. I wish you all well, now it’s off to the golf course.

And who are you to moderate what people can and cannot speak about? Typical fascist!

You’ll note my post before last was directly related to Brexit and spoke to the Cooper-Letwin bill that has now received Royal Assent.  Looks like you and 17,4 million others are going to be a tiny bit disappointed then. Good. Sanity prevails.

As an aside Andy - I HAVE to know - if you are so Anti EU, so much for unity of Britain as a nation state ... what the hell are you doing living in Spain? Hypocrite!

Don’t go to the golf course angry, Andy - it will throw your game ....

And we’ve had some interesting side debates, sure - but we’ve covered recently Peter Osborne’s piece saying Brexiteers we’re wrong and need to swallow their pride; the constitution and function of the EU as an organization (many many thanks Chrisso - very informative and educational) and the passage of the Cooper-Letwin bill - all of which are directly related to the original subject ....,

Andy, I hope you don't leave the forum. God knows, debates need debaters and differing viewpoints are welcome.  Don't  be put off asking me if I am on drugs. I'm not, of course, but let the matter end there. One of the mantras I live by "the least said the faster mended" and life is too short for making enemies.

I hope you enjoy your game of golf. It might even make the subjects discussed here if your co-golfers contributed, even if they wear Panama hats and drink "hoffs."

So anyway - I see David Bannerman is standing on his principles and saying he will not stand for re-election as MEP as “the British people just want Brexit over with”

Don’t you just love the way he speaks for 60.000.000 people? I’m not convinced he even now speaks for the 17,4 million who originally said “Leave”.

It strikes me that many of the Tory “spoilers” who are threatening disruption and demanding we leave immediately are only now speaking for themselves - I think possibly as Chrisso has highlighted, because remaining would mean closer scrutiny of them and their finances ... and I think this may worry some of them.  There’s certainly no “principles” involved - only naked self-interest.

It seems we may be slowwwwwwly moving in the direction of a second / third referendum / people’s vite / confirmatory ballot - call it what you will, but a few stories now seem resigned to the idea ... these are the ones who obviously do not fear scrutiny!!

Chrisso, Matthew - I’d love to hear your take on this.

I see the UK just going through every motion possible and there is a possibility that it could leave the EU somewhere along the way. However, public opinion appears to have swayed towards the Remain minded people. I believe there will be a long extension with the clause that the UK can leave within that time if it so wishes.

The reality is the UK won't use that clause and there will be another referendum sometime during 2021. The result is not obvious. However, then much more younger voters will be entitled to vote (usually they're not stupid and bear no loyalty towards any political party). By then there will be five years natural wastage of those who were elderly leading to the last referendum. The word "confirmatory" could be inserted within the title of the referendum

Politicians are good of at least one thing and that is of being re-elected. They are astute salespeople and know what their customers (constituents) want. They use every means to gain support. They are masters of re-framing what they say to confuse those not in-the-know. (Perhaps,  Proportional Representation STV system will be introduced for elections after the Confirmatory Referendum). But, that is some years down the road.

The last thing any MP wants is scrutiny of their expenses and publishing of their tax claims. David Bannerman is not saying goodbye to his political career. Merely, he is getting his retaliation in first, a ploy used by politicians in political retreat.