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Anne66

Posted: Thu Jul 2, 2020 10:36pm

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Posted: Thu Jul 2, 2020 10:36pm

Lyn77 wrote on Thu Jul 2, 2020 10:08pm:

I have never come across such vitriol on this forum before.  If people had their cats neutered there would not be so many but too many people prefer to slag off the volunteers who work hard to look after the stray cats and dogs in the area.  You people disgust me.  Stray animals ar...

...e a norm in all Mediterranean countries and will continue to be so until people do more to help get them neutered.  The most compassionate are the British but from the comments on this forum it seems a new breed of people are coming.  If you have a phobia stay in the UK unless you are willing to help the PAWS and other animal charities in the area.  

I will thank you. 

truenudist

Posted: Thu Jul 2, 2020 10:38pm

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Posted: Thu Jul 2, 2020 10:38pm

Lyn77 wrote on Thu Jul 2, 2020 10:08pm:

I have never come across such vitriol on this forum before.  If people had their cats neutered there would not be so many but too many people prefer to slag off the volunteers who work hard to look after the stray cats and dogs in the area.  You people disgust me.  Stray animals ar...

...e a norm in all Mediterranean countries and will continue to be so until people do more to help get them neutered.  The most compassionate are the British but from the comments on this forum it seems a new breed of people are coming.  If you have a phobia stay in the UK unless you are willing to help the PAWS and other animal charities in the area.  

Lyn 

A little harsh I think. I too have had pet cats in my life. I do not hate cats ( except when the little blighter takes a chunk out of my toe!  ). These cats are not strays. They are a breed of undomesticated cat. Feral.  What I get cross about are the people that insist on feeding feral cats without thought of what they are doing. As Matthew says nobody cleans up after feral cats and I can tell you the mess is disgusting. People feeding colonies of 10 cats next door to me with new litters is not nice. I have no phobia of cats. But the flies are just too much. I would have some sympathy with these people if they were to fund the cost of neutering themselves. But at €70 a pop that is unlikely to happen. They would rather go to the supermarket and buy €70 of cat food!
Feral cats have a role to play in our lives.  They keep vermin and insects down. By feeding these animals the whole balance is tilted the wrong way. They are encouraged to breed and that is wrong. 

So please try to see the other side of the issue. 

Regards

Matthew

Posted: Fri Jul 3, 2020 8:40am

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Posted: Fri Jul 3, 2020 8:40am

1. I was wondering when some feral cat feeding bleeding heart would appear and true to form suggests we protect such species. Like I keep saying anybody can feed a cat but nobody cleans up after them leaving the potential for spread of disease. It's time for these feral cat feeding idiots to step up to the plate and stop feeding those cats.

2. Restaurant/bar owners who turn the blind eye towards members of staff feeding feral cats and dogs should wake up to the fact that these so-called animal lovers are reducing the profit margin. There's plenty of choice of places to eat and we don't go into any restaurant that feeds ferals.

3. Then Lyn suggest that the original poster should stay in the UK. Lyn is now trying to run that person's life. Typical!

truenudist

Posted: Fri Jul 3, 2020 9:46am

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Posted: Fri Jul 3, 2020 9:46am

I slept on this overnight.

Lyn does obviously not understand the issue here at all. She agrees that cat owners should have their pets spayed. Unfortunately, she does not realise that FERAL cats are not pets. They are not Strays. They will not come near humans except to be fed. Feral cats are just like any other wild animal. But because they LOOK like domesticated cats people think it is ok to feed them. Rats are little furry animals too. People would not dream of putting food out for rats ( or maybe they would?). It is the same thing. As soon as you start feeding wild animals you alter the balance of the system. I've seen threads on here from people complaining of mites and excess flies in the area. Where do the cat feeders think they come from? I'll tell you - feral cat faeces. 

I don't see anywhere on this whole thread anything that suggests volunteers that work for the charities are being 'slagged off'. Indeed, my communication with PAWS has been such that they too have their hands tied behind their backs in trying to deal with the issue.

And then finally you suggest that because Anne has a phobia that she should stay in the UK I think is so very insulting. I'm sure if I looked hard enough I could find something that you don't like either. 

So my words to you Lyn are, it is you that needs to temper the vitriol and have more compassion for others. Get off your high horse. Open your eyes to what is going on around you. 

regards,

Lyn77

Posted: Fri Jul 3, 2020 9:47am

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Posted: Fri Jul 3, 2020 9:47am

I refuse to be drawn into an undignified conversation with this man. Each to his own.  

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DarioMartin

Posted: Fri Jul 3, 2020 9:58am

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Posted: Fri Jul 3, 2020 9:58am

Lyn77 wrote on Fri Jul 3, 2020 9:47am:

I refuse to be drawn into an undignified conversation with this man. Each to his own.  

I’m a cat lover ... but even so I agree with Truenudist regarding the Feral cats; they are not just strays, they are as wild as any other animal that lives off the land.  Feeding them not only encourages population growth, but also takes away their natural ability to hunt for their food and keep down rodent populations.  By feeding the feral population we make them more dependent on humans and less on their natural hunting skills - we destroy the balance of nature.

But we’re human, so we are good at that.

Nature is a harsh and cruel mistress on occasions, and seeing the condition of some of these ferals is heartbreaking - but you could go to the plains of Africa and pass the same comment on some of the game there - but you wouldn’t dream of feeding it; I speak here with experience.

These are not domestics that have been dumped in the main (although admittedly, some are), they are feral cats, wild animals, hunters - and we do them a disservice by thinking we know better and feeding them.

Matthew

Posted: Fri Jul 3, 2020 10:01am

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Posted: Fri Jul 3, 2020 10:01am

Lyn77 wrote on Fri Jul 3, 2020 9:47am:

I refuse to be drawn into an undignified conversation with this man. Each to his own.  

. . . . of course you don't want to discuss anything, because you have an unexistant cause. Wake up and smell the coffee, people are no longer putting up with the droppings of feral cats that you for some reason keep feeding.

Ian 77

Posted: Fri Jul 3, 2020 10:23am

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Posted: Fri Jul 3, 2020 10:23am

There are lots of problems with ferral cats not only there waste but interbreeding with each other .. I’ve seen cats with one eye blind or badly deformed  when I first bought my place there were loads one which had a collar on this one was not wild obviously someone had thrown it out so I looked after it called her bluey ( she had blue eyes ) I soon found out how clever she was I took  her to the vet and had her doctored and her injections and got her a flea collar one day I went out she was howling for a good 4 mins or so and about 10 cats turned up she was shearing her food now to be honest I am more a dog person as a kid my mother use to breed German shepards and sell to the police ..but this cat took a shine to me and I kept her till one day she went and never came back .. but in the uk we have the RSPCA Spain need to sort this problem as well as wild dogs  I find the spanish just dump there dogs when they get old or sick it just can not afford to keep them been a few were I live let loose big dogs too,but the cats are everywere and thoe they keep places clean by eating anything  they are a danger to most .. in Australia they kill them as they kill birds etc and attack small wild life .. plus they can and do spread disease ..I like all animals but like everything in life you do need control

Matthew

Posted: Fri Jul 3, 2020 3:41pm

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Posted: Fri Jul 3, 2020 3:41pm

truenudist wrote on Thu Jul 2, 2020 10:38pm:

Lyn 

A little harsh I think. I too have had pet cats in my life. I do not hate cats ( except when the little blighter takes a chunk out of my toe!  ). These cats are not strays. They are a breed of undomesticated cat. Feral.  What I get cross about are the people that insist on feeding feral...

... cats without thought of what they are doing. As Matthew says nobody cleans up after feral cats and I can tell you the mess is disgusting. People feeding colonies of 10 cats next door to me with new litters is not nice. I have no phobia of cats. But the flies are just too much. I would have some sympathy with these people if they were to fund the cost of neutering themselves. But at €70 a pop that is unlikely to happen. They would rather go to the supermarket and buy €70 of cat food!
Feral cats have a role to play in our lives.  They keep vermin and insects down. By feeding these animals the whole balance is tilted the wrong way. They are encouraged to breed and that is wrong. 

So please try to see the other side of the issue. 

Regards

Whatever Truenudist signed up for when he came to Spain, I reckon it wasn't to have his neighbour feeding ten feral cats daily. The ten feral cats drop their loads somewhere daily causing potential for disease. But, Truenudist's neighbour apparently doesn't care of the danger that is there. Like I keep saying anybody can feed feral cats - nobody cleans up after them. Some of the facebook warriors claim the feral cats clean up after themselves. (Please pass the bucket - fast).

What if I started keeping snakes as pets and allowed them to crawl around the terraces? I bet my feral cat loving neighbours would be up in arms immediately. 

So somebody decides on a life changing move (Anne) and comes to Spain to get on with the next stage in life and has a fear/phobia of cats and the advice she gets from another expat (Lyn)  who set up sticks here is to "stay in the UK." The moral of the story here is before you buy any property, check out the habits, mindset and themes of your potential new next door neighbour.

Jack

Posted: Fri Jul 3, 2020 4:32pm

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Posted: Fri Jul 3, 2020 4:32pm

May I say to you Lyn, if you can’t debate the subject that you seem so passionate about, you really have no argument.

We have a lady who politely asked a question and who could probably be an asset to a community and what does get get??? 

Maybe Lyn you should read your post and WISE UP.

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