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Chained up malnourished Mastin in Alfaix

Posted: Thu Sep 21, 2023 9:56pm
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john64

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Just returned to the UK. Reported to the Police at Los Gallardos and their community officer a dog in a bad way yesterday. Mastin chained up in the sun badly malnourished. 

The Police went straight away and the dog appears to have gone, hopefully to Paws.

Is there any way that l check please the outcome of my intervention ?

Matthew

Posted: Fri Sep 22, 2023 9:28am

Matthew

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Posted: Fri Sep 22, 2023 9:28am

With respect John, You did nothing other than report the matter to the police. You didn't feed or give water to the animal. Suddenly, you want to know what happened after.  If your conscience is playing tricks with you just pop over to PAWS and make a donation.

Airtaine

Posted: Fri Sep 22, 2023 10:52am

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Posted: Fri Sep 22, 2023 10:52am

Matthew wrote on Fri Sep 22, 2023 9:28am:

With respect John, You did nothing other than report the matter to the police. You didn't feed or give water to the animal. Suddenly, you want to know what happened after.  If your conscience is playing tricks with you just pop over to PAWS and make a donation.

As they say a day late and a dollar short John

PTR

Posted: Sat Sep 23, 2023 2:00pm

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Posted: Sat Sep 23, 2023 2:00pm

You will find contact information on the Paws website. 

Thank you for trying to help this poor dog.

PTR

Posted: Sat Sep 23, 2023 2:26pm

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Posted: Sat Sep 23, 2023 2:26pm

Matthew wrote on Fri Sep 22, 2023 9:28am:

With respect John, You did nothing other than report the matter to the police. You didn't feed or give water to the animal. Suddenly, you want to know what happened after.  If your conscience is playing tricks with you just pop over to PAWS and make a donation.

The problem with feeding a dog that is on a property or that appears to be owned as this one does as it's chained, is that as soon as you start feeding you have undertaken a duty of care in the eyes of the law. A few years ago we had a nightmare, there were 5 dogs, 2 little ones locked in a courtyard no food/water and 3 big ones left to their own devices near Cariatiz, my partner worked for the agent that rented the property out. The renters did a bunk and left their dogs behind so my partner started feeding/watering as you do. There was no space at the rescues.

The local neighbors complained to the police that's when we found out about duty of care. We were given 7 days to rectify the situation and threatened with police prosecution. With great difficulty we managed to resolve the dogs plight at a cost to us. We kept one of the big dogs, he became the best ever pet.

So please don't be unkind to the op at least he did something.

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Airtaine

Posted: Sat Sep 23, 2023 3:21pm

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Posted: Sat Sep 23, 2023 3:21pm

PTR wrote on Sat Sep 23, 2023 2:26pm:

The problem with feeding a dog that is on a property or that appears to be owned as this one does as it's chained, is that as soon as you start feeding you have undertaken a duty of care in the eyes of the law. A few years ago we had a nightmare, there were 5 dogs, 2 little ones locked in a court...

...yard no food/water and 3 big ones left to their own devices near Cariatiz, my partner worked for the agent that rented the property out. The renters did a bunk and left their dogs behind so my partner started feeding/watering as you do. There was no space at the rescues.

The local neighbors complained to the police that's when we found out about duty of care. We were given 7 days to rectify the situation and threatened with police prosecution. With great difficulty we managed to resolve the dogs plight at a cost to us. We kept one of the big dogs, he became the best ever pet.

So please don't be unkind to the op at least he did something.

Interesting info and I'm not having a go.  surely getting some kibble and water to the poor dog before the local constabulary rocked up would not have been any harm. Yes they did the right thing calling the law.  As Matt says if they are interested in its welfare they could have done a bit more?

Surely a little water and kibble couldn't possibly be considered undertaking a duty and care.

Plus they were off to the UK If they were not residencia in Spain who knows when they may return so holding them responsable would be a bit difficult correcto?

One question  if feeding and watering strays is undertaking a duty of care - can we get all the stray cats rounded up and  a give them to the people who insist on leaving out food for them?

This way the feeders would not have to leave their gaffs and would stop the buggers from soiling other peoples properties 

john64

Posted: Sat Sep 23, 2023 3:23pm

john64

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Posted: Sat Sep 23, 2023 3:23pm

PTR wrote on Sat Sep 23, 2023 2:00pm:

You will find contact information on the Paws website. 

Thank you for trying to help this poor dog.

The Police from Los Gallardos and their community worker were good, went there straight away to Alfaix after seeing my video and pictures. Same day the dog had gone. We are now back in the UK and just want to know what has happened to the dog ? Emailed Paws but no reply yet.

john64

Posted: Sat Sep 23, 2023 3:28pm

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Posted: Sat Sep 23, 2023 3:28pm

Airtaine wrote on Sat Sep 23, 2023 3:21pm:

Interesting info and I'm not having a go.  surely getting some kibble and water to the poor dog before the local constabulary rocked up would not have been any harm. Yes they did the right thing calling the law.  As Matt says if they are interested in its welfare they could have done a ...

...bit more?

Surely a little water and kibble couldn't possibly be considered undertaking a duty and care.

Plus they were off to the UK If they were not residencia in Spain who knows when they may return so holding them responsable would be a bit difficult correcto?

One question  if feeding and watering strays is undertaking a duty of care - can we get all the stray cats rounded up and  a give them to the people who insist on leaving out food for them?

This way the feeders would not have to leave their gaffs and would stop the buggers from soiling other peoples properties 

Sorry, did all we legally could with locked gates. The Police and worker at Los Gallardos acted quickly, dog has gone.

PTR

Posted: Sat Sep 23, 2023 6:57pm

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Posted: Sat Sep 23, 2023 6:57pm

Airtaine wrote on Sat Sep 23, 2023 3:21pm:

Interesting info and I'm not having a go.  surely getting some kibble and water to the poor dog before the local constabulary rocked up would not have been any harm. Yes they did the right thing calling the law.  As Matt says if they are interested in its welfare they could have done a ...

...bit more?

Surely a little water and kibble couldn't possibly be considered undertaking a duty and care.

Plus they were off to the UK If they were not residencia in Spain who knows when they may return so holding them responsable would be a bit difficult correcto?

One question  if feeding and watering strays is undertaking a duty of care - can we get all the stray cats rounded up and  a give them to the people who insist on leaving out food for them?

This way the feeders would not have to leave their gaffs and would stop the buggers from soiling other peoples properties 

I can only relay our experience. It appears the dog was behind locked gates so on private property? I think I would be apprehensive of trying to feed/water a dog under those circumstances, you don't know who maybe lurking around and if they can treat their dog that way who knows what they could be capable of. As for the cats I thought people weren't supposed to feed the ferrals unless they had a license. But they do keep the vermin down. Boiling it down if people who don't want their animals any longer got rid of them in a responsible humane manner others would not have to keep picking up the pieces. 

Airtaine

Posted: Sun Sep 24, 2023 10:13am

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Posted: Sun Sep 24, 2023 10:13am

PTR wrote on Sat Sep 23, 2023 6:57pm:

I can only relay our experience. It appears the dog was behind locked gates so on private property? I think I would be apprehensive of trying to feed/water a dog under those circumstances, you don't know who maybe lurking around and if they can treat their dog that way who knows what they could b...

...e capable of. As for the cats I thought people weren't supposed to feed the ferrals unless they had a license. But they do keep the vermin down. Boiling it down if people who don't want their animals any longer got rid of them in a responsible humane manner others would not have to keep picking up the pieces. 

That hoary old excuse 'keep the verrmin down' what about the local wildlife that they kill

Sorry I do not feel keeping feral cats feed help keep the vermin down cuts the mustard. 

There is also the people who do not feed them and have to clean up their feces haven't seen the feeders doing that 

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