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Matthew wrote on Sun May 15, 2022 10:21am:
What a thread! I hope Lowie doesn't take out a contract on me. If he does, he'll have to get back in the queue.
. . . and I'm only trying to get a few future votes for Ireland rom the UK in Eurovision - Irlande Douze Points.
Ouch, I'm only 30 mins down the road from him.
Off to 'Cypress' this afternoon, might see him there, think its on the far side of Mooojackar
Lowie1960 wrote on Sat May 14, 2022 4:21pm:
Well yes. I went to get my Resendency in middle of December 2020 the card did not arrive till January 2021 so I was unable to go forward with the Driving License. Plus I had to come back to England at Xmas 2020
as I son in England was very Unwell and I needed to be there. This I think is where it is not fair. ...
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But you stated you were living in Spain since 2017 With residency. I’m confused. Also, now, anyone caught driving a Spanish car with a U.K. licence who is resident will have the car impounded and a huge fine imposed.
As I understand the rules you had to change your drivers license within six months of gaining residency so you had plenty of time between then and the cut off date. I didn’t arrive until November 2020 but still managed to register my intent even though my residency was not granted until June 2021. Sorry to be harsh but may of the people complaining had more than enough time to do the change. And I do feel sorry for the people who were given wrong information and dodgy gestors.
Lowie1960 wrote on Sat May 14, 2022 4:21pm:
Well yes. I went to get my Resendency in middle of December 2020 the card did not arrive till January 2021 so I was unable to go forward with the Driving License. Plus I had to come back to England at Xmas 2020
as I son in England was very Unwell and I needed to be there. This I think is where it is not fair. ...
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You say you've been here since 2017....I'm sorry but you had plenty of time, you just didn't bother....
We arrived a year after you and changed licence within 4 months
Posted: Sun May 15, 2022 4:03pm
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Matthew wrote on Sun May 15, 2022 9:56am:
Camper vans and mobile homes on the playa - Page 41
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Biggles172 wrote on Mon Feb 8, 2021 11:49am:
Why are all these camper vans and mobile homes being allowed to stay indefinitely on the playa.They are really unsightly and it has to be unhealthy,what are they doing with all their waste.I collared the police car patrolling the beach the other day but they didn't want to know.They were more con...
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Lowie Replied:-Yes I agree. There are ducking and diving
living under the radar. The police are going to crack down on this as complaints have been made to the Almeria Government.
Trust me I know_____________________
If I see you thumbing a lift as I drive through in my campervan, I'll pick you up and drop you off where you wish. I'm sure the conversation will be enlightening.
Do a Spanish Driving Test and likely you won't need to do that enlightening conversation.
🤣 😂 🤣 Brilliant! Well done Matthew!
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Just a few explanatory notes for your arguments
The driving licence in the UK is a primary identity document on a par with a passport. Gaining residency does not mean giving up your UK rights. So many people waited until the deadline and some didn't know about it either. residency only entitles you to stay in the country longer than 6 months. It was not a right to anything else.
As I understand it, the Padron is for those wishing to extend rights such as voting in elections and paying local taxes - a different issue and again something not wanted by many people who live here part time or more than 6 months but not the whole year.
On top of that the UK licence was completely valid until the deadline, now it is not only not equal to a Spanish licence it is treated as though the holder comes from Russia. Doing a full driving test is mean minded and aggressive. The issue is for UK licence holders regardless of their EU nationality or EU rights. More double standards to conjour with. Especially when you consider Spanish nationals are not treated the same way in the UK. Perhaps UK officials have better things to do.
The reason Spain is doing this is because there is a post-Brexit trade deal to be made between the UK and member countries and it is a great opportunity, as others and myself wrote on another thread, for Spain to bring out the Gibraltar Monkey and to try and turn people against the government.
For once I do not believe this is a Brexit issue, as Dario pointed out on a different thread that has been running, only Spain and Italy have taken this course of action, it is not an EU issue. Simply a lack of common sense and a chance to show why Spain will never be a mover and shaker when it comes to international statesmanship. If it thinks the driving licence issue will change the present UK government's mind on Gibraltar it would further show their lack of credible thinking.
As ex-pats from different EU countries said to me..."but if they do this then they can change everything they want to change?" "You will never know if you are going to be hit with the next idea / whim /act of aggression". Bit like living next to Russia?
Have you checked out the private health insurance recently because the old S form and reciprocal health could be next and far more effective at sending people back to the UK.
Madness is not restricted to lunatic asylums. Fine examples are to be found of cacking crows and baying donkeys on this forum.
Posted: Sun May 15, 2022 5:43pm
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Why don't you bite the bullet and take the test? We know people who have done it and they say it isn't difficult. If you like your life here then why throw it away over something which, in retrospect, will seem insignificant. Sorry, but I can't understand why you would do that. Life is full of challenges and this is just one of them . I'm sure if you ask on here for help regarding lessons etc you'll get loads of info. Best of luck
Posted: Sun May 15, 2022 9:33pm
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Shay123 wrote on Sun May 15, 2022 5:14pm:
Just a few explanatory notes for your arguments
The driving licence in the UK is a primary identity document on a par with a passport. Gaining residency does not mean giving up your UK rights. So many people waited until the deadline and some didn't know about it either. residency only entitles you to stay in the country longer than 6 months. ...
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...It was not a right to anything else.
As I understand it, the Padron is for those wishing to extend rights such as voting in elections and paying local taxes - a different issue and again something not wanted by many people who live here part time or more than 6 months but not the whole year.
On top of that the UK licence was completely valid until the deadline, now it is not only not equal to a Spanish licence it is treated as though the holder comes from Russia. Doing a full driving test is mean minded and aggressive. The issue is for UK licence holders regardless of their EU nationality or EU rights. More double standards to conjour with. Especially when you consider Spanish nationals are not treated the same way in the UK. Perhaps UK officials have better things to do.
The reason Spain is doing this is because there is a post-Brexit trade deal to be made between the UK and member countries and it is a great opportunity, as others and myself wrote on another thread, for Spain to bring out the Gibraltar Monkey and to try and turn people against the government.
For once I do not believe this is a Brexit issue, as Dario pointed out on a different thread that has been running, only Spain and Italy have taken this course of action, it is not an EU issue. Simply a lack of common sense and a chance to show why Spain will never be a mover and shaker when it comes to international statesmanship. If it thinks the driving licence issue will change the present UK government's mind on Gibraltar it would further show their lack of credible thinking.
As ex-pats from different EU countries said to me..."but if they do this then they can change everything they want to change?" "You will never know if you are going to be hit with the next idea / whim /act of aggression". Bit like living next to Russia?
Have you checked out the private health insurance recently because the old S form and reciprocal health could be next and far more effective at sending people back to the UK.
Madness is not restricted to lunatic asylums. Fine examples are to be found of cacking crows and baying donkeys on this forum.
Shay … you made a few glaring errors there. Unfortunately you based your arguments on flawed assumptions, rendering the rest of your arguments opinion at best.
Firstly: Residencia. Anyone - ANYONE intending to remain in Spain longer than 90 days is obliged to register with Extranjeria - that is “Residencia”. Once you have Residencia, again to retain Residencia, you are obliged to remain in Spain for 183 days a year, for the first 5 years, which also makes you a tax resident. Having residencia means that Spain is your country of primary residence. (This of course only applies to EU citizens, Third Country Nationals undergo a different process and have different restrictions)
Once you are a resident - you have Residencia - you are then obliged to a) go on the Padrón of your local ayuntamiento and; b) surrender the driving licence of your “old” country and seek a Carnet de conducir. EU citizens can swap their licences. These are not things you can choose to do - they are mandatory.
Third country nationals cannot. As pointed out elsewhere, those coming from America, Australia, Russia, Ukraine, South Africa etc etc must undergo tests as there is no bi-lateral agreement with Spain to do a straight swap.
When Britain removed itself from the EU, it also nullified any and all agreements in place at the time. Just as freedom of movement ceased, so did licence equivalency.
It was then incumbent on Britain to seek bi-lateral agreements with those countries it wished to have licence equivalency with. As of this date, bi-lateral agreements are yet to be struck with Italy, Portugal and of course Spain.
As much as you might like to try and keep striking at Spain, your calls of “foul” lack perspective and indeed weight. You signally fail to accept that it has nothing to do with “punishing” Britain and everything to do with a lack of bi-lateral agreement.
By maintaining this incessant monologue of it being all Spains fault, you do yourself no favours, appearing only now as blinkered and desperate to have your opinion accepted - and that is all it is - an opinion with little basis in fact, as demonstrated.
DarioMartin wrote on Sun May 15, 2022 9:33pm:
Shay … you made a few glaring errors there. Unfortunately you based your arguments on flawed assumptions, rendering the rest of your arguments opinion at best.
Firstly: Residencia. Anyone - ANYONE intending to remain in Spain longer than 90 days is obliged to register with Extranjeria - that is “Residencia”. Once you have Residencia, again to retain Residencia, you are obliged to remain in Spain for 183 days a year, for the first 5 years...
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..., which also makes you a tax resident. Having residencia means that Spain is your country of primary residence. (This of course only applies to EU citizens, Third Country Nationals undergo a different process and have different restrictions)
Once you are a resident - you have Residencia - you are then obliged to a) go on the Padrón of your local ayuntamiento and; b) surrender the driving licence of your “old” country and seek a Carnet de conducir. EU citizens can swap their licences. These are not things you can choose to do - they are mandatory.
Third country nationals cannot. As pointed out elsewhere, those coming from America, Australia, Russia, Ukraine, South Africa etc etc must undergo tests as there is no bi-lateral agreement with Spain to do a straight swap.
When Britain removed itself from the EU, it also nullified any and all agreements in place at the time. Just as freedom of movement ceased, so did licence equivalency.
It was then incumbent on Britain to seek bi-lateral agreements with those countries it wished to have licence equivalency with. As of this date, bi-lateral agreements are yet to be struck with Italy, Portugal and of course Spain.
As much as you might like to try and keep striking at Spain, your calls of “foul” lack perspective and indeed weight. You signally fail to accept that it has nothing to do with “punishing” Britain and everything to do with a lack of bi-lateral agreement.
By maintaining this incessant monologue of it being all Spains fault, you do yourself no favours, appearing only now as blinkered and desperate to have your opinion accepted - and that is all it is - an opinion with little basis in fact, as demonstrated.
Bravo Dario, a good point well made.
Posted: Sun May 15, 2022 11:37pm
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Lowie1960 wrote on Sat May 14, 2022 4:21pm:
Well yes. I went to get my Resendency in middle of December 2020 the card did not arrive till January 2021 so I was unable to go forward with the Driving License. Plus I had to come back to England at Xmas 2020
as I son in England was very Unwell and I needed to be there. This I think is where it is not fair. ...
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I am sorry lowie BUT if you were resident in 2017,why did you not sort all the leagl matters before 2020,it is not for the fact that Brexit was in the headlines,or were you one of the many many that thought it would be alright
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