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Cat Breeder

Posted: Tue Nov 21, 2023 8:40pm
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Shazza65

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High all , this is Shaz , hope everyone is ok? 

Moved over recently been asking so many questions . 

We breed Bengals , anyone know the procedures here in Albox of how we go about carrying on over here breeding and how we could possibly sell them ? 

Take care as always Shaz 

Alicia 11

Posted: Wed Nov 22, 2023 9:12am

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Posted: Wed Nov 22, 2023 9:12am

new regulations say that you have to register as a breeder and satisfy conditions before you can do it so it wold be best to ask a vet maybe or to check with the government department for animal welfare.

Pet shops are no longer able to sell animals now. 

Jenni

Posted: Wed Nov 22, 2023 12:20pm

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Posted: Wed Nov 22, 2023 12:20pm

I really hope you are joking, do you know how many unwanted cats there are in Spain, unloved uncared for, Spain doesn't need anyone breeding them., Think again a way to make money. You should be ashamed.

Shazza65

Posted: Wed Nov 22, 2023 2:05pm

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Posted: Wed Nov 22, 2023 2:05pm

Jenni wrote on Wed Nov 22, 2023 12:20pm:

I really hope you are joking, do you know how many unwanted cats there are in Spain, unloved uncared for, Spain doesn't need anyone breeding them., Think again a way to make money. You should be ashamed.

Jenni

I am a registered breeder in England. My bengals are my children I breed when I decide. Have a waiting list in England and have been driving back with them. 

I am quite well aware of the issue here. We are all aloud freedom and I do not do this lightly 

Jenni

Posted: Wed Nov 22, 2023 6:55pm

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Posted: Wed Nov 22, 2023 6:55pm

Shazza65 wrote on Wed Nov 22, 2023 2:05pm:

Jenni

I am a registered breeder in England. My bengals are my children I breed when I decide. Have a waiting list in England and have been driving back with them. 

I am quite well aware of the issue here. We are all aloud freedom and I do not do this lightly 

No you do it for money, with no regard for the facts of the country you live in. To say your bengals are your children, so you would sell you children as well would you. If you breed these cats and sell them in Spain you will find that in under a year they are on the street, breeding with the feral cats.  You have only just moved over, so you cant possibly be aware of the terrible plight of the cat situation in Spain. The few rescue centres are over run with them, no funding. Not to mentions the 1000's of cats on the street.

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DarioMartin

Posted: Wed Nov 22, 2023 7:35pm

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Posted: Wed Nov 22, 2023 7:35pm

Shazza65 wrote on Wed Nov 22, 2023 2:05pm:

Jenni

I am a registered breeder in England. My bengals are my children I breed when I decide. Have a waiting list in England and have been driving back with them. 

I am quite well aware of the issue here. We are all aloud freedom and I do not do this lightly 

Alicia’s advice is solid.  First check with a vet.  The procedure to become regulated and on the register of allowed breeders will be neither simple, nor quick.  You’ll have a few hoops to jump through, registration fees to pay (if accepted) and I’ll guarantee a wait of months, not weeks.

A question - you are obviously permanent resident here then, and not on a NLV or similar Visa?  I ask because you say “moved over recently”

If you are on an NLV, your bid for registration as a breeder is dead in the water, because for first 5 years you can have no remuneration from a business based in Spain.

juanida

Posted: Wed Nov 29, 2023 2:32am

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Posted: Wed Nov 29, 2023 2:32am

I've only just seen this posting and I deplore the nastiness of the response to it from a known dog lover on our forum.

It is sad that there are so many  feral unwanted cats in Spain, but to accuse this person of breeding pedigree cats, 'only for money' just shows insensitivity and ignorance and a sort of puritanical wokeness that is contaminating our world and threatening our freedom of choice and of thought.   It is not a moneymaking racket to breed cats when people love and care for them as much as cat breeders normally do.  They are not normally like  breeding farms as we have had there  (unless the new laws have changed all this, and laws have indeed been implimated, which is doubtful)  here in Spain.  Instead, the animals live as 'family' which is why pedigree cats are usually properly weaned, litter trained by mum, cat club registered , which-isnot cheap, owned and home vetted amonst a plethora of other things.  The litters are also staged so that the kittens and mother stay healthy , unlike in the pet farms where one litter follows another and breeding stock is not vetted for congenital defects.  I also defend the right for people to choose the animal they like to choose for whatever reaon, and I have found certain pedigrees cats have outstanding personalities and personally find this more difficult to find in most cross breed felines.  I don't have a cat myself now, but I did once have three beautiful Burmese cats and have in the past adopted a 5 year old Siamese.  I found the Burmese to be particularly intelligent and to my artistic eye, all were aesthetically pleasing.   I wonder how many pets are chosen at Dog and Cat Rescue for their colour or the length of their fur?   However I do happen to know that black cats and black dogs are the very last animals to find 'forever homes', yet  I have adopted both in the past because I believe them to be discriminated against and I also liked the gentle personality of the dog and the feisty nature of the cat.  

Live and let live.  There is room for all colours and creeds, all mixed race or breeds - or there should be!

DarioMartin

Posted: Wed Nov 29, 2023 7:19am

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Posted: Wed Nov 29, 2023 7:19am

juanida wrote on Wed Nov 29, 2023 2:32am:

I've only just seen this posting and I deplore the nastiness of the response to it from a known dog lover on our forum.

It is sad that there are so many  feral unwanted cats in Spain, but to accuse this person of breeding pedigree cats, 'only for money' just shows insensitivity and ignorance and a sort of puritanical wokeness that is contaminating our world and threatening our freedom of choice and of thought...

....   It is not a moneymaking racket to breed cats when people love and care for them as much as cat breeders normally do.  They are not normally like  breeding farms as we have had there  (unless the new laws have changed all this, and laws have indeed been implimated, which is doubtful)  here in Spain.  Instead, the animals live as 'family' which is why pedigree cats are usually properly weaned, litter trained by mum, cat club registered , which-isnot cheap, owned and home vetted amonst a plethora of other things.  The litters are also staged so that the kittens and mother stay healthy , unlike in the pet farms where one litter follows another and breeding stock is not vetted for congenital defects.  I also defend the right for people to choose the animal they like to choose for whatever reaon, and I have found certain pedigrees cats have outstanding personalities and personally find this more difficult to find in most cross breed felines.  I don't have a cat myself now, but I did once have three beautiful Burmese cats and have in the past adopted a 5 year old Siamese.  I found the Burmese to be particularly intelligent and to my artistic eye, all were aesthetically pleasing.   I wonder how many pets are chosen at Dog and Cat Rescue for their colour or the length of their fur?   However I do happen to know that black cats and black dogs are the very last animals to find 'forever homes', yet  I have adopted both in the past because I believe them to be discriminated against and I also liked the gentle personality of the dog and the feisty nature of the cat.  

Live and let live.  There is room for all colours and creeds, all mixed race or breeds - or there should be!

As an aside, the black cat we adopted from PAWS isn’t so much “feisty” as a complete lunatic, living up to her name “Luna”

Jenni

Posted: Wed Nov 29, 2023 6:41pm

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Posted: Wed Nov 29, 2023 6:41pm

juanida wrote on Wed Nov 29, 2023 2:32am:

I've only just seen this posting and I deplore the nastiness of the response to it from a known dog lover on our forum.

It is sad that there are so many  feral unwanted cats in Spain, but to accuse this person of breeding pedigree cats, 'only for money' just shows insensitivity and ignorance and a sort of puritanical wokeness that is contaminating our world and threatening our freedom of choice and of thought...

....   It is not a moneymaking racket to breed cats when people love and care for them as much as cat breeders normally do.  They are not normally like  breeding farms as we have had there  (unless the new laws have changed all this, and laws have indeed been implimated, which is doubtful)  here in Spain.  Instead, the animals live as 'family' which is why pedigree cats are usually properly weaned, litter trained by mum, cat club registered , which-isnot cheap, owned and home vetted amonst a plethora of other things.  The litters are also staged so that the kittens and mother stay healthy , unlike in the pet farms where one litter follows another and breeding stock is not vetted for congenital defects.  I also defend the right for people to choose the animal they like to choose for whatever reaon, and I have found certain pedigrees cats have outstanding personalities and personally find this more difficult to find in most cross breed felines.  I don't have a cat myself now, but I did once have three beautiful Burmese cats and have in the past adopted a 5 year old Siamese.  I found the Burmese to be particularly intelligent and to my artistic eye, all were aesthetically pleasing.   I wonder how many pets are chosen at Dog and Cat Rescue for their colour or the length of their fur?   However I do happen to know that black cats and black dogs are the very last animals to find 'forever homes', yet  I have adopted both in the past because I believe them to be discriminated against and I also liked the gentle personality of the dog and the feisty nature of the cat.  

Live and let live.  There is room for all colours and creeds, all mixed race or breeds - or there should be!

I stand  what I say ALL breeders, breed cats  and dogs for money.  Cats and dogs are not an endangered species, so there is no need to breed more.  Especially in a country like spain.

Shazza65

Posted: Wed Nov 29, 2023 9:08pm

Shazza65

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Posted: Wed Nov 29, 2023 9:08pm

juanida wrote on Wed Nov 29, 2023 2:32am:

I've only just seen this posting and I deplore the nastiness of the response to it from a known dog lover on our forum.

It is sad that there are so many  feral unwanted cats in Spain, but to accuse this person of breeding pedigree cats, 'only for money' just shows insensitivity and ignorance and a sort of puritanical wokeness that is contaminating our world and threatening our freedom of choice and of thought...

....   It is not a moneymaking racket to breed cats when people love and care for them as much as cat breeders normally do.  They are not normally like  breeding farms as we have had there  (unless the new laws have changed all this, and laws have indeed been implimated, which is doubtful)  here in Spain.  Instead, the animals live as 'family' which is why pedigree cats are usually properly weaned, litter trained by mum, cat club registered , which-isnot cheap, owned and home vetted amonst a plethora of other things.  The litters are also staged so that the kittens and mother stay healthy , unlike in the pet farms where one litter follows another and breeding stock is not vetted for congenital defects.  I also defend the right for people to choose the animal they like to choose for whatever reaon, and I have found certain pedigrees cats have outstanding personalities and personally find this more difficult to find in most cross breed felines.  I don't have a cat myself now, but I did once have three beautiful Burmese cats and have in the past adopted a 5 year old Siamese.  I found the Burmese to be particularly intelligent and to my artistic eye, all were aesthetically pleasing.   I wonder how many pets are chosen at Dog and Cat Rescue for their colour or the length of their fur?   However I do happen to know that black cats and black dogs are the very last animals to find 'forever homes', yet  I have adopted both in the past because I believe them to be discriminated against and I also liked the gentle personality of the dog and the feisty nature of the cat.  

Live and let live.  There is room for all colours and creeds, all mixed race or breeds - or there should be!

Thank so much for a much needed uplifting feedback. Must say have been feeling like I have been kicked in the face a few times. So once again Thank You

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