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ALGUIEN HABLA ESPANOL?

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Posted: Fri Jul 5, 2019 6:36pm
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LeeB

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Hola senores y senoras.

So, here I am, i preparation for the move, learning Spanish. So far I've found it mostly, far easier than i expected, apart from one aspect which is driving me bonkers. Here it is.

There are two verbs which both mean "to be." Ser and estar. Also, it seems to matter which one is used.

Please, please, please, can some kind soul offer me some sort of guide as to which one is used when. The person who can help me get it right is invited for a drink when we visit in September.

Best wishes to all. Lee

Jack

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Fri Jul 5, 2019 6:55pm

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Posted: Fri Jul 5, 2019 6:55pm

Ser ( permanent )

Estar ( temporary) 

Ser..... soy de Espana.....I am from Spain ( I will always be from Spain )

Estar....estoy  estudiando espanol.....I am studying Spanish. ( it's temporary..I hope 🤔) 

LeeB

LeeB

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Fri Jul 5, 2019 7:13pm

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Posted: Fri Jul 5, 2019 7:13pm

👍👍👍

I'll give it a try and see if it qualifies for a drink. 😁

Many thanks.

DarioMartin

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Fri Jul 5, 2019 10:24pm

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Posted: Fri Jul 5, 2019 10:24pm

For Ser, remember the mnemonic “DOCTOR” - it means you use Ser for

D - Descriptions - Ella es bonita - she is pretty

O - Occupations - soy camarero - I am a waiter

C - Characteristics - soy alto - I am tall

T - Time - son las dos - It is two o’clock

O - Origin - soy de Inglaterra - I am from England

R - Relationships - Él es mi hermano - he is my brother

This may help you as well :  https://www.thoughtco.com/verbs-meaning-to-be-ser-estar-3078314

DarioMartin

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Fri Jul 5, 2019 10:40pm

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Posted: Fri Jul 5, 2019 10:40pm

Jack wrote on Fri Jul 5, 2019 6:55pm:

Ser ( permanent )

Estar ( temporary) 

Ser..... soy de Espana.....I am from Spain ( I will always be from Spain )

Estar....estoy  estudiando espanol.....I am studying Spanish. ( it's temporary..I hope 🤔) 

Just a note on what Jack pointed out as well.  When doing something, in English we use the progressive, so “I am learning Spanish” is indeed “Estoy aprendiendo español”

BUT ... this form is only used in Spanish if the action being performed is being performed at the time you utter the sentence. i.e. estoy aprendiendo español means that you are learning Spanish at that time, i.e. you are in a Spanish class, learning Spanish right then.

To express that you are doing something generally but not necessarily at that time, you use first person singular. therefore, “aprendo español” means both “I learn Spanish” and “I am learning Spanish”

LeeB

LeeB

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Sat Jul 6, 2019 12:01am

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Posted: Sat Jul 6, 2019 12:01am

Absolutely great stuff. Thanks a million for your time.

I have to say that when you're learning a subject from an app, it can be very effective. I've been teaching myself Spanish for the last couple of months and having just returned from a two week holiday in Spain, and having had a multitude of opportunities to try out my new knowledge, i have to be pleased with progress thus far. Up until my last trip to Spain 

my few words were pretty much exclusive to getting my food orders correct in a restaurant. Important? Yes, of course. But I am now equiped to have at least, a limited conversation, i can count (only up to 100, but its a start), I can tell the time, and I can keep  a diary in terms of days and months. I'm very pleased with myself so far.

However, self education has a very serious omission. The facility to ask a question such as i did regarding the mystery verbs.

Again, my thanks for your help.

Best wishes. Lee

LeeB

LeeB

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Sat Jul 6, 2019 12:22am

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Posted: Sat Jul 6, 2019 12:22am

Further to my recent reply. It only works.

Just answered 30 questions using your advice, and got just one wrong. And that because it was probably a matter of opinion as to what was permanent or temporary. My opinion clearly differed. 😁

Thanks again. 👍 Lee

DarioMartin

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Sat Jul 6, 2019 8:13am

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Posted: Sat Jul 6, 2019 8:13am

There are lots of vagaries with the language that I am just starting to discover; I don’t know if it is peculiar to here, or throughout Spain, but there is another method, if you like, of expressing “to be” without using Ser or Estar; more to do with location and feeling, using the reflexive verb Encontrarse - to find (oneself)

In English, we’d say either “I feel unwell” or “I am unwell”; in Spanish, the popular method is “no me encuentro bien”, or directly translated (which never really works ...) “I do not find myself well” = “I am not well”

To express location (of a shop for example) the shopkeepers will say “Nos encontramos en frente de ....” it means “We are in front of ...” but literally translated “we find ourselves in front of ...”

Champ

Sat Jul 6, 2019 9:03am

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Posted: Sat Jul 6, 2019 9:03am

Prospanish has a brilliant free lesson on this on YouTube. Basically Estar is used for emotions and temporary things eg estoy cansada I am tired but remember it is estoy cansado if you are male. Ser is used for permanent things eg soy inglés I am English. The conjugation of Estar is estoy; estás; está; estéis; estamos and están and for Ser it’s soy; eres; es; sois; somos; son. Any other questions please ask as teaching is a great way to reinforce my learning!

Bueno suerte (good luck and so lovely you are making the effort to learn the language of your new country it will make life much easier!)

Champ

Sat Jul 6, 2019 9:06am

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Posted: Sat Jul 6, 2019 9:06am

Darío definitely deserves the drink - Doctor - excellent aide memoir ! 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

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