#StopSpreadingTheFear - Page 2

Sadly Jenni, I think we are fighting a losing battle. Our only hope is in  the way it’s coming to light , now , the disgusting way and things they eat , that it’s having a financial impact on the world economy, something may be done.    However as you know , In this world today all that matters is money.  As long as People want the goods they sell. End of.   So sad. 

Hi Dario, I agree so sad.  stay safe  JX

well said...good for you

The selling of live animals in these wet markets was already illegal.....but nothing was done....(wet because they kill the animals when being purchased, hence a lot of blood = wet......not because they sell wet fish!).Pangolins will soon be extinct because of the illegal trade. Until the poor of these regions are cared for, and this is their only way to make a living to survive, then these markets will continue..... 5,000 Donkeys were killed last year in China for the gelatin in their skins, all for a Chinese health medicine.....so many animals are killed for these...'health benefits'.....Education is the only way forward....As for only humans being infected by this virus.....wrong....the bats have it which is how we got it through mutation...It is like the butterfly effect, a butterfly flaps its wings in Peru and it causes a storm with us....Only this time it was a bat that really did flap its wings and we are in the middle of a tsunami...!!!

As for the awful things they eat???? Well the French eat snails/ frogs legs and we eat whelks and eels...... Some countries eat insects, guinea pigs etc.....what is to say what they eat is not normal....it is just the way they are trapped and the conditions they are slaughtered in!

Bet if any of you went to a slaughter house in either UK or Spain....you would not eat meat again! That is why they do not have windows...

I went on a virtual reality tour about 10 years ago....horrific!...but just read the Juliet Gellatley book The Silent Ark if you want a real eye opener (director of VIVA)... . I had seen pictures about slaughter houses when I was in my 20's and as such stopped eating meat there and then.....nearly 50 years ago....both my husband and I and our 3 children/ grandchildren are extremely well and healthy. But until you educate or help these really poor chinese villagers, it will continue....another virus will mutate and jump unfortunately....Stay safe. 

Oh....I see why you are having a go at me .....I fell into your nasty little trap....Your husband is a slaughter man, I am a vegetarian .....Your problem not mine sweetie.....have a good day! Have a look at the VIVA site, see what is really happening even in the UK....Have a look at Hogwood farm....Then say the vets care!!!!!

Well the excellent news for today is that the Chinese City of Shenzhen has just passed a law banning the eating of Dogs and Cats. This is the first Chinese city to do this lets hope the rest of that country follows suit.

Stay Safe  Regards  Jenni

*sigh* when I started this topic, I thought it was going to be me taking fire for daring to  suggest that conspiracy theorists were complete and utter nutcases who keep the tinfoil industry going in buying huge amounts for tinfoil hats.

I started this topic with the intention of generating discussion around how utterly stupid conspiracy theories were and how dim-witted those who spread them must be.  Please don’t pick on each other, we each have differing beliefs in terms of diet, religion etc etc - I’m nice and diverse - I’m a meat-eating Pagan who is Wiccan .... go figure.  I’m proudly polytheist and love candles, runes and crystals.

Right ... that should give you all a fresh target for your ire and righteous indignation 😁😂 .... please don’t pick on each other though.

How can someone be a butcher and say he could not kill anything? I have no problem if someone catches a fish or kills a rabbit for their own consumption....but not a hypocrite who says how sweet a little lamb is and then lets someone else kill it....You asked if I had been to a slaughter house and I gave an honest reply ....then you came back with.......... ''virtual reality tour! .In the UK''.......That was when the nastiness started....

They ...The Chinese ....will not stick to the law of not eating dogs and cats, just as they have never enforced the trapping of pangdolins monkeys and bats etc......It is like the banning of badger baiting and hare coursing in the UK....It still goes on here. Without education ....and in China's  case money....it will not stop. No one in the poor areas will enforce it.

And as for Kosha meat ....in the UK you can kill your own goat in your backyard by slitting its throat and the authorities will do nothing!  You are living in a country that still allows Bull fighting and Bull runs....and it is still believed that some villages continue the tradition of throwing a goat off a tower to bring a good harvest....this was last recorded a few years ago, but could still be happening.

I had rock and gem shops for years and believe in the power of all crystals, along with the belief that we are only here for a short time, and should look after the soil and the animals on it.....But there is too much ignorance to change it all..... The change needs to start with us.....

And it doesn’t start with continuing to to spread fear.

Having lived in Jewish communities in South Africa, I’m fairly certain you don’t really know what Kosher is.  To allay your fears, Kosher has nothing to do with the way the animal is slaughtered; it means the meat is blessed by a Rabbi at time of slaughter.  Kosher refers to all that food that can be consumed by those of the Jewish faith who are orthodox.  It does not refer to the slaughtering of the food; Matzo crackers (yummmm) are Kosher.  I can assure you they are not slaughtered .....

With regards the Chinese; it is only your own prejudice that assumes they will continue on “because that’s what they do, they are not like us” but if you apply the question I put in my original post “can I positively, truly know that for certain?” the answer is of course “NO” - of course you can’t know that.  Like I say, your own prejudice leads you to believe that ... and spread that .,., but if you can’t know for certain it’s true, then #StopSpreadingTheFear .... you see what I mean?  

In some way or another we most of us are guilty of this.  We have a belief, we want others to conform with that belief because we fear an outcome .... and so we spread the fear.   “It is still believed that some villages continue to throw a goat off a tower to bring a good harvest.  It was last recorded a few years ago but COULD still be happening”.... but again, you don’t know that do you? It could just as easily NOT be happening.  You’ve never actually witnessed it yourself .... it’s anecdotal - but unless you can say for 100% certain that you have witnessed this yourself, all your doing is spreading anecdotes.  #StopSpreadingTheFear

Yes, we live in a country where bullfighting still occurs; but also a country where many places have now banned bullfighting.  Bullfighting is a centuries old tradition and is ingrained in the eidos of the country; it will go, but it will be a generational change, not overnight.  Asking Spaniards to put aside bullfighting is like telling Britons to give up pie chips, beer and football (and significantly more violence occurs with football) or stopping fox hunting in UK, which this government have allowed to resume.....

But we’ve chosen to live here.  We cannot come to our host country and demand they now conform to our view of what constitutes right and wrong; that change may occur, but it must occur from within to imprint upon the people a new culture.

#StopSpreadingTheFear refers to our own prejudices as well; that the Chinese are inherently cruel to animals, that the Spanish love bullfighting and are cruel to animals, Moslems are terrorists etc etc - all these things are just prejudices, because we simply cannot apply them to every single person of that nationality or religion that we meet.  People are people and change starts with putting aside our own ignorance and xenophobia 

Blessed be.