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Andymac1951

Posted: Tue Feb 1, 2022 9:07pm

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hartcjhart wrote on Tue Feb 1, 2022 7:06pm:

errmmm

and so racism was always  a Brexit issue. your words Matthew

His words indeed and on more than one occasion. 

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Posted: Tue Feb 1, 2022 10:42pm

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Posted: Tue Feb 1, 2022 10:42pm

at the end of the day racism is about a person, note a vote not a country,Brexiteers were no more racist than italians /spanish/irish/french/worldwide etc

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Posted: Tue Feb 1, 2022 10:48pm

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hartcjhart wrote on Tue Feb 1, 2022 10:42pm:

at the end of the day racism is about a person, note a vote not a country,Brexiteers were no more racist than italians /spanish/irish/french/worldwide etc

I never said anything different CJ. "Brexiteers were no more racist than italians /spanish/worldwide etc"  . . . . but you agree with me and we agree racism was a Brexit issue but not for everybody who voted. Just clearing up semantics!!!!

Thanks for that CJ. It takes guts to stay with the truth at all times; therefore, you have my respect. 

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Jenni wrote on Tue Feb 1, 2022 2:13pm:

Hi Dario,

My husband renewed his passport last year and a nice Blue one came back..

Have a good day.

As he would have, as UK changed the colour.  However, had you actually read the link, you’d see that changing to Blue passports was claimed as a “Benefit of Brexit”, whereas in reality there was no mandate at all requiring Burgundy red ones.  UK could have chosen to return to blue passports at any time whilst a member.  Maintaining Burgundy red was wholly a UK decision, but Brexit supporters like to laude the colour change as a “benefit”. 

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Matthew wrote on Tue Feb 1, 2022 10:48pm:

I never said anything different CJ. "Brexiteers were no more racist than italians /spanish/worldwide etc"  . . . . but you agree with me and we agree racism was a Brexit issue but not for everybody who voted. Just clearing up semantics!!!!

Thanks for that CJ. It takes guts to stay with the truth at all times; therefore, you have my respect. ...

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No, Racism was never a Brexit issue(apart from a minority of right wingers),it was never about colour/country of origin,it was about uncontrolled immigration from wherever including health tourism,we can hardly afford to treat our own without outsiders coming for free treatment/benefits,if that makes me a racist I will proudly wear the badge.

every country around the world has a 'thing' about immigration so I suppose every country is racist

strangely some places call it 'secretrianism' ring a bell

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hartcjhart wrote on Wed Feb 2, 2022 12:00am:

No, Racism was never a Brexit issue(apart from a minority of right wingers),it was never about colour/country of origin,it was about uncontrolled immigration from wherever including health tourism,we can hardly afford to treat our own without outsiders coming for free treatment/benefits,if that m...

...akes me a racist I will proudly wear the badge.

every country around the world has a 'thing' about immigration so I suppose every country is racist

strangely some places call it 'secretrianism' ring a bell

Except a good portion of the “migration” as you call it was EU members exercising FoM; Doctors, Nurses, Truck Drivers, Builders etc etc etc … all paying National Insurance, all paying in to the NHS, all contributing.  If this makes you say “taking good ENGLISH jobs”. Congratulations. You’re a Xenophobe.

Since Brexit net migration has INCREASED, but from countries (obviously) outside the EU, many of who are now refugees.  You can’t deport them, anymore (as Ms Patel has found out) because 1) You are no longer EU and therefore no longer member of Dublin III (bit of an own goal there as far as control of your borders was concerned) and; 2) The laws accepted and written into English law from HMRC forming the Human Rights Act of 1981 (I think is the date) cannot be undone or repealed without UK becoming viewed as the equivalent of Burma, North Korea, China etc in terms of Human Rights.  If this makes you say “sod the Human Rights Act, repeal it, take proper control and turn the boats back and kick the other buggers out” … congratulations, you’re a Xenophobe with strongly fascist leanings.

Considering a tenet of Brexit was “stop Freedom of Movement” I fail to understand how you can say Brexit wasn’t linked to xenophobia.  A tactic of Vote Leave was of course the bus showing millions of Turkish migrants lining up to come in to UK - playing to the populations xenophobia (that of course was an outright lie beings Turkey is not an EU member and nowhere close to becoming one) … so tell us again how Xenophobia was never a Brexit issue …

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hartcjhart wrote on Wed Feb 2, 2022 12:00am:

No, Racism was never a Brexit issue(apart from a minority of right wingers),it was never about colour/country of origin,it was about uncontrolled immigration from wherever including health tourism,we can hardly afford to treat our own without outsiders coming for free treatment/benefits,if that m...

...akes me a racist I will proudly wear the badge.

every country around the world has a 'thing' about immigration so I suppose every country is racist

strangely some places call it 'secretrianism' ring a bell

  • CJ says racism was not a Brexit issue and in the same sentence says "apart from a minority of right wingers" and in several of his posts before - Therefore, you agree that racism was an issue. Read your own post CJ. Racism was an issue.
  • Ask any Asian, African in the UK if racism was a Brexit issue - I have asked several and all of those whom I asked agree with me.
  • Let's not "dignify" racists by using untruths. It is the duty of good people to call out racism at all times. 
Andymac1951

Posted: Wed Feb 2, 2022 8:38am

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Posted: Wed Feb 2, 2022 8:38am

DarioMartin wrote on Tue Feb 1, 2022 11:08pm:

As he would have, as UK changed the colour.  However, had you actually read the link, you’d see that changing to Blue passports was claimed as a “Benefit of Brexit”, whereas in reality there was no mandate at all requiring Burgundy red ones.  UK could have chosen to return to blue...

... passports at any time whilst a member.  Maintaining Burgundy red was wholly a UK decision, but Brexit supporters like to laude the colour change as a “benefit”. 

Ho ho ho 

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Posted: Wed Feb 2, 2022 8:57am

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hartcjhart wrote on Wed Feb 2, 2022 12:00am:

No, Racism was never a Brexit issue(apart from a minority of right wingers),it was never about colour/country of origin,it was about uncontrolled immigration from wherever including health tourism,we can hardly afford to treat our own without outsiders coming for free treatment/benefits,if that m...

...akes me a racist I will proudly wear the badge.

every country around the world has a 'thing' about immigration so I suppose every country is racist

strangely some places call it 'secretrianism' ring a bell

Well said but sadly you will not stop the rants from either Dario Mario or Mathew.  There is without doubt ‘racism’ throughout the EU and the wider world, even dare I say it, in Spain.

https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2021/7/21/what-is-behind-spate-racist-attacks-spain-murcia

Even Ireland has issues


https://www.bing.com/fd/ls/GLinkPing.aspx?IG=752E173C84EE424D8C9C2D06BFBF1665&&ID=SERP,5173.1&SUIH=F-58o95JtjvoDeSD2b7Fcw&redir=aHR0cHM6Ly9zcHVub3V0LmllL2xpZmUveW91ci1yaWdodHMvcmFjaXNtLWV4cGVyaWVuY2VkLWluLWlyZWxhbmQ

The vote to stop FOM was I believe to stop the flow of unskilled labourers and low Income workers mainly from Eastern Europe whose presence was keeping wages low.  Since that particular hole has been blocked I understand wages have increased in those affected sectors, little if nothing to do with racism.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2021/06/14/brexit-drives-wages-ending-free-movement/

The U.K. has always welcomed workers, usually skilled, from various parts of the Commonwealth, and they integrate into the community very well in the main.  The Indian community in particular have always integrated well and become valued members of the society. 

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Posted: Wed Feb 2, 2022 10:12am

Matthew wrote on Wed Feb 2, 2022 7:49am:

CJ says racism was not a Brexit issue and in the same sentence says "apart from a minority of right wingers" and in several of his posts before - Therefore, you agree that racism was an issue. Read your own post CJ. Racism was an issue.Ask any Asian, African in the UK if racism was a Brexit issue - ...

...I have asked several and all of those whom I asked agree with me.Let's not "dignify" racists by using untruths. It is the duty of good people to call out racism at all times. 

Racism was always the main issue, keeping out all people, look at fariges rants about immigration, hasnt really driven up wages as is most sectors there are not enough people to fill vacancies so food is not getting harvested etc etc.  So employers cannot afford to pay more.

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