Consequences of Brexit - Page 5

dwheelerfm wrote on Wed Dec 30, 2020 6:19pm:

Firstly a democratic vote took place of which not could be said of most of the votes in the European Parliament over the last 5 years. In the last 12 months major accusations have been made in regard to corruption in the European Leadership by most of the Partner States.

In regard to positives this is not a short term view and we will not see the benefits for at least 2 - 3 years but the £70bn European Recovery fund we would have to contribute to and not get any benefit from comes in fairly handy....

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Travel for those of us born BE (before euro) most of us travelled on a thing called a UK passport and we were not subject to any negative treatment at borders - in fact some of the comments I have seen in this thread are strange as every time I have flown into any Country since 1966 (including Gibraltar as I have worked there many times) I had to show my passport.

With the internal self destruction of the EU by ponzi style loan agreements to countries that have defaulted many times in previous currency agreements I am glad we are out.

I know you are going to say I am a little englander and all that comes with it - but not true I have lived and worked in France, Belgium, Gibraltar, Cyprus and most of the Middle East so I am not blinkered in the UK's potential issues and weaknesses. The UK exports around 40% of goods and services to the EU and 60% to the rest of the world in WTO style deals to which another 58 deals have happened in the last 2 years with the single biggest deal with Japan since 1958.

It is a shame that we have left the EU but it is not the EEC that we agreed to join in 1973 it is fat and full of people that continually deal their own cards with no oversight. After the Treaty of Paris in 1951 the freedom of movement act was introduced to allow Miners and Steel workers to freely move between any member state to find employment with this being extended over the years to any workers until the new act in 2011. I have worked in France competing against French nationals and believe me when I tell you that it was not a level playing field. So can we take off the Rose coloured EU approved spectacles as it is not perfect scenario. It was set up to ensure that no single power could take control but we probably thought that was from violence and aggression not by stealth.

I would rather be controlled by our elected officials (idiots or not) rather than a bunch of self serving autocrats who have continually ignored criticism from German, Dutch, Italian, Finnish, Irish, Polish, Hungarian MEPS over the last 3 months - don't believe me just take a look on YouTube

Andy56 wrote on Wed Dec 30, 2020 7:23pm:

Good to hear a well reasoned argument from the other side! 

From my point of view I’m not looking through rose tinted spectacles as I do see the failures of the EU. But in their defense what large bureaucratic institution is free of inefficiencies and does not contain it’s  share of self-servers. 
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To my mind though that’s hardly the point. In a world where the like of Donald Trump can lead the most powerful country on the planet and (for example) deny climate change I am rather of the view that the more sane countries of the world should work together. 

Only 25 years ago there was a major conflict within the boundaries of Europe where many thousands of people where ‘ethnically cleansed.Working together irrespective of some of the failures of the European collaboration surely is the only sensible approach. The EUs benefits are massive in terms of influence and security as well as trade.

However many times Boris calls the Europeans ‘his friends’ what he has done is drive a huge wedge between Britain and Europe, 

In my humble opinion Britain will spend the next years bickering non stop with Europe about everything! I would rather we were working on bringing the world together, fighting extremism , eradicating poverty in the third world and tackling climate change. 

I’m sorry but I don’t believe this is on the agenda of Boris or his cronies. I’ve lived in the UK most of my life and we faired exceptionally well when part of Europe. Last time we went it alone in the 1970’s, the country was a basket case. Have we forgotten the three day week and 25% inflation?

The EU is far was perfect but I feel mightily sorry for the next generation of Brits who will be denied the opportunities we had.

I am exceptionally grateful to the EU for providing me with an opportunity to see out my days in the sun in the beautiful south of Spain! 

Jem wrote on Wed Dec 30, 2020 6:31pm:

You really are rather patronising a d quite rude.

devo49 wrote on Wed Dec 30, 2020 8:03pm:

Do you think it’s thanks to the EU or your own hard work and endeavour ,possibly working in uk and uk pension . Please I don’t mean this disrespectful way . But it’s my work in uk that has let me enjoy almeria and mojacar for nearly 40 years .  Not the Eu .

devo49 wrote on Wed Dec 30, 2020 7:10pm:

Wow . Now that’s what I call a post . Agree or disagree , that post is possibly one of the best thought out and articulated. Well done . Now I can sit back and watch the feed back . 

devo49 wrote on Wed Dec 30, 2020 8:03pm:

Do you think it’s thanks to the EU or your own hard work and endeavour ,possibly working in uk and uk pension . Please I don’t mean this disrespectful way . But it’s my work in uk that has let me enjoy almeria and mojacar for nearly 40 years .  Not the Eu .

rt21 wrote on Wed Dec 30, 2020 8:41pm:

I think Andy may have been referring to the free movement of people within the E.U. that allows expats to see out their days in the sun 

rt21 wrote on Wed Dec 30, 2020 8:41pm:

I think Andy may have been referring to the free movement of people within the E.U. that allows expats to see out their days in the sun 

Jimh wrote on Wed Dec 30, 2020 8:40pm:

I agree that the majority voted leave and I have no problem with that, the reason they voted to leave was principally due to the ineptitude of the sitting Conservative government and their failure to provide any compelling argument to stay and their failure to realise how disliked David Cameron w...

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...as. However the main factors for the vote to leave was the myth that this would control immigration which is simply not going to happen as the Capitalists want the cheap labour and many do the jobs the British people wont do for minimum wage and that the savings of '£600 million a week' would go to the NHS which was later admitted to be a lie. I have done work for the European Commission in the past and it is correct that there was a huge amount of cream to be had. In the 90's and early 2000's I was allowed First Class travel to and from Luxembourg costing up to €1500 from Dublin and the expenses were €350 a night and this was extended to all those working for the commission and MEP's etc. who were also on the gravy train. There has been some attempt to cut back on this and business class travel is no longer allowed and the number of committees and the frequency of the meetings was also reduced but there was still a long way to go. As I left the UK over 25 years ago I accept their choice although I think it was ill thought out and I believe it will detrimentally impact the UK for well over a decade.

I'm still hoping and waiting for my Irish passport to be approved (12 months and counting)