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Pension (sipp)

Posted: Sat Sep 18, 2021 5:07pm
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David1963

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Hello.

My wife and i both have private pensions pots (SIPP's) in the UK and the plan is to become Spanish tax residents. They are not large by any means but certainly would not want to lose large chunks of them to tax.  We have spoken to 3 different financial advisers in Spain and received 3 different answers.  Answer 1. QROPS. ( i know for a fact this is the wrong answer as the funds are way too small).  Answer 2. Transfer to an international SIPP.  Answer 3. Leave the funds in the UK.   As i have said, so called professional advice has been sought.

Has anybody had a similar experience?

TIA.

Lmj18

Posted: Sat Sep 18, 2021 10:44pm

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Posted: Sat Sep 18, 2021 10:44pm

Hi send me a pm. I have a Sipp, I’m an ex IFA, but I employ a tax adviser in 

DarioMartin

Posted: Sun Sep 19, 2021 12:12am

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Posted: Sun Sep 19, 2021 12:12am

I have an investment with old mutual (Quilter International now)  As it has performed badly, there has been no Capital Gains Tax.  But I wanted to bring some into the country, so I did - 30.000€.

I received a certificate saying no tax withheld because it was part of a capital gains product.  La Hacienda saw it differently and as the money had come into the country charged me 5.000€ income tax.  Lesson learned.  Don’t bring in more than 10.000€ per tax year.  10.000€ per person or less, no reporting necessary …

my asesora believes AEAT were incorrect to demand tax on a portion of a non-performing Capital Gains product - but they’ve taken the tax anyway and now I have to fight with them to get it back.

Be warned; irrespective of whatever certificate you receive, AEAT may see things differently and apply tax.  Such seems to be life in Spain

Lmj18

Posted: Sun Sep 19, 2021 12:19am

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Posted: Sun Sep 19, 2021 12:19am

DarioMartin wrote on Sun Sep 19, 2021 12:12am:

I have an investment with old mutual (Quilter International now)  As it has performed badly, there has been no Capital Gains Tax.  But I wanted to bring some into the country, so I did - 30.000€.

I received a certificate saying no tax withheld because it was part of a capital gains product.  La Hacienda saw it differently and as the money had come into the country charged me 5.000€ income tax.  Lesson learned.  Don’t bring in more than 10.000€ per tax year.  10.0...

...00€ per person or less, no reporting necessary …

my asesora believes AEAT were incorrect to demand tax on a portion of a non-performing Capital Gains product - but they’ve taken the tax anyway and now I have to fight with them to get it back.

Be warned; irrespective of whatever certificate you receive, AEAT may see things differently and apply tax.  Such seems to be life in Spain

Hi, my Sipp is also with Old Mutual, it grew by over 27% last year. Maybe you need to check what funds you are in?

DarioMartin

Posted: Sun Sep 19, 2021 1:10am

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Posted: Sun Sep 19, 2021 1:10am

Lmj18 wrote on Sun Sep 19, 2021 12:19am:

Hi, my Sipp is also with Old Mutual, it grew by over 27% last year. Maybe you need to check what funds you are in?

Spanish Tax Compliant Collective Investment Bond - Rathbones was one of the funds and it was pathetic.  Have moved funds now to less risk averse funds with Quilter and they are doing ok.

Be warned, if Quilter don’t withhold tax on the portion that has increased for you, AEAT will charge you Capital Gains Tax on that portion.  AEAT take tax on worldwide income

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