HOLD FIRM!! - Page 4

I would - as you pointed out : seatbelts, workers rights, health and safety - then there was a stop on global roaming charges allowing you to roam anywhere in Europe, and pay the same price.

But it’s pointless lusting it, because hard-core Brexiteers (of which I don’t believe Jenni is one) sneer at it, call it “codswallop” and blather on about their “triumph”.  There none so blind Doris, as those that will not see.

And I’m certain that one of the loons won’t be able to resist saying “it’s remoaners that don’t see”

Hypocrites, liars and xenophobes the lot of them.

Sorry for my stupid question, I thought it was funny, in a discussion that has been done to death. Very Arrogant of you to assume I am a brexiteer, what a stupid word that is.!!!

OK Dario and Doris I get the gist,  the EU is great the UK is Crap . Not sure I agree, but thats my choice, and look I summed this up in less than 100000000000 words.

I really wish it could be distilled down to something as simple as that.

But it can’t.  Many in UK feel they will for some undefinable reason, be better off outside the EU; if there was a decent trade deal likely or if UK had approached it differently - by say going EEC, then stepping back gradually or moving forward to full membership again, very much dependent on the wishes of an informed populace who are able to see exactly what membership, or loss thereof, actually means, then maybe there would be less division, a greater chance of unity and success.

But a relatively small amount of very wealthy people have lied and cheated and duped a large amount of people into believing their lies (Boris Johnson : words similar to “nothing will change for people visiting and living in EU after Brexit”) and so the country has bought a lie, a lie that has divided the country nearly down the middle.

Brexit supporters like to hail their 52% as an overwhelming mandate when it is anything but.  Were that referendum held today, I suggest the result would be very different, now people have had a chance to understand what Brexit actually means. It is without doubt even more divisive than the miners strike of the 80’s and continues to be supported by empty promises, bluster and outright lies, blaming all ills on the EU, whereas in fact it is those that have bought this about that should be owning it. But won’t, because they are one and all snivelling cowards.

A Chinese proverb comes to mind.  Be careful what you wish for - you may just get it.

Sorry if I bracketed you with brexiteers. I apologise if I was mistaken. 

Apology excepted, but as Dario thinks I am not a brexiteer, then perhaps I should show my hand. which I haven't done until now because I can imagine the back lash I will get. but here goes.

I have and never will vote, I have never voted in any election and I didn;t vote in the referendum. my reasons are these, I believe that   no government is worth while, I watched my parents vote at every election and by- election there was and it made no difference, Governments, from any country will tell you what you want to hear and then renege once they are in power. The only person that I think did any good when he was in power was Obama.

Because I dont vote I have no right to moan, so I dont, I just ask questions, because it intrigues me why such educated people get so het up and irate over something that is completely out of their hands, if you think your vote makes a difference, then in my opinion you have just wasted your time cos it doesn't . But if it makes you feel better and that you have contributed, then great.

I dont think that any country should rule another country, why for example did the UK 'rule' Australia for years and years, what gave them the right, how can one country know what another country needs if they dont live there. Equally how can Brussel know what the UK needs, they dont live there. So if that makes me a Brexiteer, then so be it.

I think this will happen, I think the UK will go thru a hard time for a few years, but I think it will come out the other side and be better for it because they are not being ruled by another country.

So I am not for or against it I am sitting firmly on the fence, now normally  people that sit on the fence irritate me, but I now find myself in that position. and I have no right to get off one way or the other because I refuse to vote.

Merry Christmas and A Safe New year to one and all.   Jenni

You also forgot to say that the majority of Brits did not want to carry on down the road of a 'Socialist' EU,the same that Labour voters rejected Corbyns socialist dream for the UK.

You say about lies,again pot and kettle,what happened to the instand property crash,the instant financial recession,the list goes on and on

They won’t make it easy, because then everyone else will want to go.

Your not officially free of the EU until 31/12; UK economy predicted to contract by 4% with a deal, 6% without.  GBP to Euro currently 1,09€ ..... you were saying ....?

Think your being generous Dario at 1.09 sterling I think it will be somewhat less the UK really don't understand what they have let themselves in for I feel for all those who will lose their jobs as the result of this clown in Downing street after all he is really a failed journalist