Mandatory Wearing of Masks outdoors extended - Page 2

Tufty all precorsions are needed and should  be used regardless of the stats,we should not get complacent just because other country's have.i live in Wales and still wear my mask constantly as its still mandatory and so it should be even though across the border England have no restrictions what so ever now,not even on public transport. Or public places.

The sooner people abide by the rules the better,its the only way out of this.bar more lockdowns.

I wear a mask, of course.  The only information from any credible scientific source says you are highly unlikely to pick up Covid from surfaces.  You can wash your hands constantly if you want.   I'll do it if I'm asked to, just out of politeness.

You might not pick it up from surfaces, but disinfection of hands is a good habit to get into - and stay in - to prevent transmission of all sorts of other nasties. It’s just good hygiene.

The alcohol disinfectant you get from supermarkets etc is just plain nasty, so we make (yes, and sell) our own anti-bacterial hand wash using Witchazel instead of alcohol and with essential oils and natural Aloe Vera as the active ingredient.  Much kinder on the hands. MUCH kinder.

And, yes, just as effective.

Not at the door of every single shop and bar though. 🤣

When you’re in a public area, you have people who don’t bother to wash their hands after say attending the lavatories, people with skin complaints, people with other surface-transmissible maladies touching things you you do.

At every bar? Hell yes.  At shops / Cafes? Your call I guess.  Covid might not be surface transmissible but plenty of other things are.  All this has done really is to try and force a reasonable standard of hygiene on everyone, but many don’t see the point and so it is left up to the individual to decide.

At any cafe or eatery or bar, the number of people who just don’t bother washing their hands after going to the toilet is disturbing to say the least … I’ll continue with disinfectant thanks.

Statistics are useful but evidence and facts are what reliable science is based on. Any precautions should therefore be based on facts and if the facts change then so should the precautions. If not then we would have stayed in lockdown for ever. The World Health Organisation itself was telling us that masks were useless right up to the summer of 2020. The science then changed and consequently so did their advice. The truth is we won't really know which actions/precautions were most effective (apart from vaccines, where the science is strong) until well after the pandemic is over.

Quite understandably, the blunt instrument of locking down is frequently and now increasingly being questioned. When the next pandemic comes (and one day it will) I will be very surprised if nationwide lockdowns will be implemented again. 

So will I, but browsing from one shop to another, I don't think so.

This information is useful, thanks for the listing, however, the NYC article required a subscription and so I couldn't check it. Though it is not immportant for me personally.

These kind of articles are plentiful and have existed for decades because the actual reality of testing is artificial and very few real case studies, say in hospitals are impossible as surfaces get nuked by chemicals all the time. They cause constant debate and disagreement, to the point of real life punch ups at conferences because it is not an area that can be exactly studied. The same kind of things are discussed about aerosols, how many viruses do you need for infection, how many stay in the atmosphere, what is a safe distance etc and aerosols are moving miasmas in real life, impossible to predict or calculate with any meaningful results..

Expect a lot more of this kind of stuff as scientists disagree about what has happened and how, expect recriminations from scientists  and the public for two wasted years and expect hype, egos and money seeking from scientists keen to make names for themselves and newspapers bent on spinning the story out.

Bear in mind this has happened before and scientists will come up with nothing new, nothing that wasn't known decades earlier?

Thanks again for the links! :)

With regard to the science changing....

In fact the science for an airborne, mutating (shape-shifting) virus that is very easily caught has always been the same. It is what scientists deal with every winter in the form of flu. No one has ever invented a method to combat this type of mass infection in 140 yrs.

With the flu vaccine it had to be guessed from the different strains of flu one winter to prepare vaccine for tre next. Expect that to happen again for those in vulenrable and age situations.

Washing hands and singing happy birthday? Remember that hit song of 2020? This is a 'soft' shelledvirus, easily killed by normal hygiene, it never needed hand gel but soon the chemicals were deployed.

Scientists said at the start that masks were nigh on useless against viruses but soon masks were mandated, BY politicians, mainstream press, the public (all of whom have shown complete ignorance of anything learned over the last 140 years and scientists who have a vested interest in funding from the same politicians - yes, including and especially WHO.

That safe distance? It is how far? I see signs for 1.5m and 2.0m? Which is it? (Trick question: no safe distance, only possibly safer distances if the wind is not blowing in your direction.

As I said in previous posts, I take no joy from watching these events happen and will continue to happen as everypone will start to blame someone else but the lessons and strategies were already in place if anyone bothered to get them out of the filing cabinet. Sweden, Taiwan and New Zealand were the only countries that used tactics that might have worked under different circumstances, though Taiwans strategy was based on SARS and not Covid-19 and thus failed. Everyone else fudged it and failed. The writing was on the wall immediatley after the first lockdown but politicians don't read that and a scared public blames those who knew better for being 'sceptics' and non-believers. Maybe we went to a college and learned real science you can follow?

Nothing new has been learned except Humanity still believes in emotional reaction first and reason second.

This is why I never ever eat free snacks supplied in public areas eg bars, or take aways.