Spanish Tax Angst - Page 2

Alicia 11 wrote on Wed Feb 7, 2024 3:53pm:

As usual it is always down to the ordinary guy to do the leg work HMRC and the Spanish tax offices do not work together and it is the person who is taxed who is supposed to know what to do.  The only income aloud in Spain and taxed in the UK is the payment of Civil servants pensions, Having ...

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...said that if, like my husband your pension is not at tax levels of the UK it will be taxed in Spain under the world wide income rules. 

Alicia 11 wrote on Wed Feb 7, 2024 3:53pm:

As usual it is always down to the ordinary guy to do the leg work HMRC and the Spanish tax offices do not work together and it is the person who is taxed who is supposed to know what to do.  The only income aloud in Spain and taxed in the UK is the payment of Civil servants pensions, Having ...

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...said that if, like my husband your pension is not at tax levels of the UK it will be taxed in Spain under the world wide income rules. 

jch wrote on Wed Feb 7, 2024 1:41pm:

the Certificate of Residence is not exclusively for business or earners abroad. I have recently had to obtain this same Certificate.  The online form 'appears' to be for business/earners abroad, but if you carry on filling it out, there is ample opportunity to explain what you need, your cir...

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...cumstances, etc., and lo and behold, you get a certficate.  Just fill in the blanks that apply to you and ignore anything that asks for business details and the like.  It's just that the HMRC site is not very clear that the procedure applies as well to 'ordinary' people who just need to prove their residence in the UK.

MojCath wrote on Wed Feb 7, 2024 4:36pm:

Thanks, Alicia.  My problem is that they are specifically talking about 2016/2017 and we were not living in Spain by then, so tax was, as it always had been, paid in the UK.  We had documents from our bank showing that we became non-resident years before then.  We also provided a L...

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...etter of confirmation of residence from 2010, but our lawyer said that it had arrived too late and that now we need a Certificate of residence.  It just feels like we're banging our heads against a brick wall.

jch wrote on Wed Feb 7, 2024 5:45pm:

This may not be helpful, but....  I believe the 'Letter' and 'Certificate' are the same thing.  I asked HMRC via their helpline and the response was 'the same'. Also the accountants I use in Spain believe that to be true.  But that doesn't mean a particular Spanish tax office worke...

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...r will accept that. Whereas the next one might...

Potentially helpful....if you have the time the people on the other end of the HMRC chat or call helplines are actually helpful (in my experience), but there is a bit of waiting as you move up the queue....

and.....I had a similar problem as you with the driving license (error message saying you must complete before continuing...), it was not the driving license it was as I remember to do with the 'date you returned to live in the UK', which was pretty meaningless for my situation, but I picked a date of entry and decided that would be it, and -- now able to continue-- explained what I had done in the 'comments' area.  They accepted that way of dealing with the issue.  In your case, if you still want to go the online route, or still need to, try just putting your license number in and explaining in the comments section what you have done.

and not practically helpful at all, other than to feel better ---- it's all a bit random, there are aspects of Spanish and UK bureaucracy that are mind-bending, so doing what you are doing -- having a bit of a moan -- is a good reaction. Followed by a friendly pint....if you are so inclined.

jch wrote on Wed Feb 7, 2024 5:48pm:

ah, just read your reply....fab, good luck, and do consider that friendly pint or equivalent, maybe a chocolate treat

LosPardoslady wrote on Wed Feb 14, 2024 6:17pm:

I am in the middle of dealing with HMRC regarding double taxation.  I am being taxed by both Spain and the UK on the same income.  The onus is on the taxpayer to apply for the correct tax status to be applied in the correct country.  It doesn't help that even when you get a so call...

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...ed 'expert', some still have no clue as what tax you should be paying and where.

I have eventually spoken to a tax officer and now dealing solely with her. (I received a call today and am hopeful that I have a solution).  It might be worth a try to call HMRC and get a named tax officer and just deal with them.  

Like jch the 'letter and certificate' are one and the same.

Groupo Salvador in Mojacar are very good and have been able to help me a lot.  I would highly recommend.  Feel free to pm me if you have any questions.  Regards Karen