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John99andrew wrote on Tue May 10, 2022 7:55pm:
What ever way you look at it if the uk was still part of Europe there would not be any problems regarding retiring to spain
True but I suspect there were more important principles at stake than say the colour of a passport or the comfort of expats. But I'm sure this has been covered ad nauseam on other threads. Onwards and upwards, and here's hoping an agreement on driving licences is reached soon.
Posted: Tue May 10, 2022 9:19pm
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David62 wrote on Tue May 10, 2022 8:21pm:
True but I suspect there were more important principles at stake than say the colour of a passport or the comfort of expats. But I'm sure this has been covered ad nauseam on other threads. Onwards and upwards, and here's hoping an agreement on driving licences is reached soon.
I feel sorry for the people that had worked all there lives planning for there retirement and then to have all there plans diminished into thing air,
Luckily we manage to do it before all this Brexit saga kicked off.
John99andrew wrote on Tue May 10, 2022 9:19pm:
I feel sorry for the people that had worked all there lives planning for there retirement and then to have all there plans diminished into thing air,
Luckily we manage to do it before all this Brexit saga kicked off.
Yes it is sad it feels like at some point people will.have to stay in their own countries and have very little options. I have just got my irish passport so i have been lucky. Just hope driving situatiin gets sorted otherwise its "walking, bike&buses"🤣
It is still not a Brexit issue.
We had licence and driving test parity before Brexit along with other motoring legalities like the MoT/ITV. We still have parity now because the systems didn't change.
The bureaucrats have merely decided to make an issue because then they can drag the Gibraltar monkey into the room along with other negotiating beefs they have with the UK as the correspondent above neatly pointed out.
So, the well paid bureaucrats get taxpayer's money by making ordinary people jump through unnecessary hoops when most peoples ideology would be to make life easier, not more difficult. Clearly they do not have enough to do.
If we had parity before and now, there should not be a problem and it always should have been a question of recording a driving licence number on a computer. As happened when I became resident in 2017.
In the process the Spanish have made a mockery of 'keeping EU rights'. Something that is alarming new residents here from Belgium who are new to changing countries. Can they really do that they ask? Yup! They did it already.
Posted: Wed May 11, 2022 10:00am
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Shay123 wrote on Wed May 11, 2022 9:19am:
It is still not a Brexit issue.
We had licence and driving test parity before Brexit along with other motoring legalities like the MoT/ITV. We still have parity now because the systems didn't change.
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The bureaucrats have merely decided to make an issue because then they can drag the Gibraltar monkey into the room along with other negotiating beefs they have with the UK as the correspondent above neatly pointed out.
So, the well paid bureaucrats get taxpayer's money by making ordinary people jump through unnecessary hoops when most peoples ideology would be to make life easier, not more difficult. Clearly they do not have enough to do.
If we had parity before and now, there should not be a problem and it always should have been a question of recording a driving licence number on a computer. As happened when I became resident in 2017.
In the process the Spanish have made a mockery of 'keeping EU rights'. Something that is alarming new residents here from Belgium who are new to changing countries. Can they really do that they ask? Yup! They did it already.
You still won’t admit it we wouldn’t been having this discussion if Brexit hadn’t happe
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Posted: Wed May 11, 2022 10:54am
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Shay123 wrote on Wed May 11, 2022 9:19am:
It is still not a Brexit issue.
We had licence and driving test parity before Brexit along with other motoring legalities like the MoT/ITV. We still have parity now because the systems didn't change.
Read more...
The bureaucrats have merely decided to make an issue because then they can drag the Gibraltar monkey into the room along with other negotiating beefs they have with the UK as the correspondent above neatly pointed out.
So, the well paid bureaucrats get taxpayer's money by making ordinary people jump through unnecessary hoops when most peoples ideology would be to make life easier, not more difficult. Clearly they do not have enough to do.
If we had parity before and now, there should not be a problem and it always should have been a question of recording a driving licence number on a computer. As happened when I became resident in 2017.
In the process the Spanish have made a mockery of 'keeping EU rights'. Something that is alarming new residents here from Belgium who are new to changing countries. Can they really do that they ask? Yup! They did it already.
There are none so blind as those that will not see. There was only parity because Spain and UK had access to each others driver / vehicle records, free exchange of information etc.
BREXIT changed that. It cut off the flow of information and UK was informed that this would be a likely consequence of such access being closed off. Ergo it is 100% a BREXIT issue. Q.E.D
DarioMartin wrote on Wed May 11, 2022 10:54am:
There are none so blind as those that will not see. There was only parity because Spain and UK had access to each others driver / vehicle records, free exchange of information etc.
BREXIT changed that. It cut off the flow of information and UK was informed that this would be a likely consequence of such access being closed off. Ergo it is 100% a BREXIT issue. Q.E.D...
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Though curiously, 25 of the 27 remaining EU countries (who were all presumably against Brexit) seem to have no problem with the licensing arrangements as they stand?
Posted: Wed May 11, 2022 12:00pm
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David62 wrote on Wed May 11, 2022 11:45am:
Though curiously, 25 of the 27 remaining EU countries (who were all presumably against Brexit) seem to have no problem with the licensing arrangements as they stand?
Perhaps because of greater inflow of both British migrants and tourists, Spain requires a greater level of access? Yes, British migrants are spread throughout the remaining 27 EU countries, however the greatest concentrations of both migrants and tourists are Spain and France (and then Italy I'd say, although I think Germany may edge Italy out in terms of migrants)
We also do not know what level of access those other countries have. It's easy to "blame Spain", but it's also just as likely that for whatever reason, UK is witholding access that it has given elsewhere ... something to ponder
DarioMartin wrote on Wed May 11, 2022 12:00pm:
Perhaps because of greater inflow of both British migrants and tourists, Spain requires a greater level of access? Yes, British migrants are spread throughout the remaining 27 EU countries, however the greatest concentrations of both migrants and tourists are Spain and France (and then Ital...
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...y I'd say, although I think Germany may edge Italy out in terms of migrants)
We also do not know what level of access those other countries have. It's easy to "blame Spain", but it's also just as likely that for whatever reason, UK is witholding access that it has given elsewhere ... something to ponder
Keeping us prisioners in the uk
Posted: Wed May 11, 2022 1:54pm
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Shay wrote
The bureaucrats have merely decided to make an issue because then they can drag the Gibraltar monkey into the room along with other negotiating beefs they have with the UK as the correspondent above neatly pointed out.
I think nail and head,yes it was because of Brexit that Spain have NOW decided to clamp down on all legal matters,whereas before they usually turned a blind eye.
In the matter of Gib,it has given the Spanish a stick that they can beat us with and simply justify it by saying 'Brexit Senor' and a lot of remainers are helping them by continuosly saying'it was Brexit' which of course it mostly was not,the laws on Residencia/licences etc were around before Brexit was even thought about
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