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Jack

Posted: Fri May 1, 2020 10:24pm

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Posted: Fri May 1, 2020 10:24pm

Goodness, I had a post deleted recently and a message from Alex telling me off and it was nothing like the vitriol that is coming from Renake. Maybe because it’s a holiday the moderators are taking a break.

I think it’s time to ignore Renake and wish him/ her all the best.

DarioMartin

Posted: Sat May 2, 2020 12:15am

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Posted: Sat May 2, 2020 12:15am

Jack wrote on Fri May 1, 2020 10:24pm:

Goodness, I had a post deleted recently and a message from Alex telling me off and it was nothing like the vitriol that is coming from Renake. Maybe because it’s a holiday the moderators are taking a break.

I think it’s time to ignore Renake and wish him/ her all the best.

Estoy de acuerdo; Indeed, I’ve said my piece and shall sally forth no more onto this wretched field of vitriol and verbal diarrhea 😁

L181SKY

Posted: Sat May 2, 2020 11:12am

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Posted: Sat May 2, 2020 11:12am

Well said Renake.  I’m so pleased it’s not just me that feels that way. It’s like entering  gladiators arena posting on here. Patronising to say the least. The title post says it all, for “ intelligent  posters”. So that’s obviously not us 😎. As for one of the Intelligent ones asking you where you get the Crap from.  Well. The British won’t get preferential treatment Oxford or not , as the deal with the WHO is that 20 countries are working together ,that includes the USA and Bill Gates foundation. There’s the link.      Also, I believe they will force you to have the vaccine,  in a roundabout way. You’re kids won’t be allowed into nursery or school ,you won’t be allowed on a bus, plane or train. Into cafes etc etc. Without your Chip being read to say you are safe or some other tracking system.   Probably phones.  ( there’s where the 5G comes into its own with bigger capacity).    Why do some so called intelligent people not look around them, why do they choose to live in a denial bubble. I think there is a lot of misinformation out there but it’s only common sense to accept that these things will be put in place to “ protect us little stupid people”. People who don’t see that in this world all that matters to the people running the planet and the governments is money.  That’s all.  People like me who don’t believe all they read, ( believe it or not) are worried and that’s where all this wary ness comes from. Fear of losing control, of our finances,our privacy, and our freedom. Simple.    

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Posted: Sat May 2, 2020 11:12am

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Posted: Sat May 2, 2020 11:12am

DarioMartin wrote on Sat May 2, 2020 12:15am:

Estoy de acuerdo; Indeed, I’ve said my piece and shall sally forth no more onto this wretched field of vitriol and verbal diarrhea 😁

😎😎😎😎😎😎😎🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮

Renake

Posted: Sat May 2, 2020 3:57pm

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Posted: Sat May 2, 2020 3:57pm

L181SKY wrote on Sat May 2, 2020 11:12am:

Well said Renake.  I’m so pleased it’s not just me that feels that way. It’s like entering  gladiators arena posting on here. Patronising to say the least. The title post says it all, for “ intelligent  posters”. So that’s obviously not us 😎. As for one of the Intell...

...igent ones asking you where you get the Crap from.  Well. The British won’t get preferential treatment Oxford or not , as the deal with the WHO is that 20 countries are working together ,that includes the USA and Bill Gates foundation. There’s the link.      Also, I believe they will force you to have the vaccine,  in a roundabout way. You’re kids won’t be allowed into nursery or school ,you won’t be allowed on a bus, plane or train. Into cafes etc etc. Without your Chip being read to say you are safe or some other tracking system.   Probably phones.  ( there’s where the 5G comes into its own with bigger capacity).    Why do some so called intelligent people not look around them, why do they choose to live in a denial bubble. I think there is a lot of misinformation out there but it’s only common sense to accept that these things will be put in place to “ protect us little stupid people”. People who don’t see that in this world all that matters to the people running the planet and the governments is money.  That’s all.  People like me who don’t believe all they read, ( believe it or not) are worried and that’s where all this wary ness comes from. Fear of losing control, of our finances,our privacy, and our freedom. Simple.    

I call them usefull idiots, the governement needs them, because when people who are thinking for themselves .............. thank you for your words😘. Friendly words are always welcom. I said nothing wrong, just that the man was behaving like an idiot, i blocked him. I don't spoil my energie on guy's like him anymore. Ask yourselve who's the real complot thinker😉. It's not me!!! And you are right. Typing here is like going into a bull fight. 

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DarioMartin

Posted: Sat May 2, 2020 5:35pm

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Posted: Sat May 2, 2020 5:35pm

Renake wrote on Sat May 2, 2020 3:57pm:

I call them usefull idiots, the governement needs them, because when people who are thinking for themselves .............. thank you for your words😘. Friendly words are always welcom. I said nothing wrong, just that the man was behaving like an idiot, i blocked him. I don't spoil my energie on...

... guy's like him anymore. Ask yourselve who's the real complot thinker😉. It's not me!!! And you are right. Typing here is like going into a bull fight. 

Renake wrote on Sat 2 May

“I call them usefull idiots, the governement needs them, because when people who are thinking for themselves .............. thank you for your words😘. Friendly words are always welcom. I said nothing wrong, just that the man was behaving like an idiot, i blocked him. I don't spoil my energie on guy's like him anymore. Ask yourselve who's the real complot thinker😉. It's not me!!! And you are right. Typing here is like going into a bull fight. “


I’m sorry ... but this is a public forum.  Thank you for the title of useful idiot - it is far better than just “idiot” who believes whatever tripe they find on the internet.

You come in here raging like a bull, making nonsensical statements and acting like they are fact. When they are provably and demonstrably not.  When challenged, you then do not stand by your comments, you simply delete them, to try and hide what you said?

This is a public forum, Renake.  Yours is not the only view that matters.  Like L181SKY you are entitled to believe whatever you want, but when you express it as an opinion, then try and claim that opinion is a fact (again, your since deleted crack about “Kill Bill Gates” and remonstrating about Vaccine) then, as it is a public forum, you can expect to get people who disagree with you.

If you then start chucking insults around (and subsequently delete them to pretend you haven’t and you are the aggrieved party), then again, expect the responses to be a little terse.

I have started copying and pasting your responses into my posts, rather than using “reply to” on its own, so you cannot pretend that you didn’t say the things you did.

It’s a sad state of affairs when it reaches that point.  If you are so convinced of your views, then stop deleting them, and leave them for all to see. And judge.


and ... L181SKY, 5G doesn’t have greater capacity, it has greater bandwidth - so that data can flow between two points at faster speed, however the higher the frequency, the shorter the range.  
Nobody needs 5G to track us, either.  The government of Spain, with BOE 86, made it legal 2 weeks ago to track everyone here using their cellphone, whether they are using GPRS / Enhanced / 3G / LTE ... 5G is just not required for that.  This is not a sarcastic remark - it is simply an explanatory from someone who has a great deal of experience in this field.

L181SKY

Posted: Sat May 2, 2020 7:55pm

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Posted: Sat May 2, 2020 7:55pm

DarioMartin wrote on Sat May 2, 2020 5:35pm:

Renake wrote on Sat 2 May

“I call them usefull idiots, the governement needs them, because when people who are thinking for themselves .............. thank you for your words😘. Friendly words are always welcom. I said nothing wrong, just that the man was behaving like an idiot, i blocked him. I don't spoil my energie...

... on guy's like him anymore. Ask yourselve who's the real complot thinker😉. It's not me!!! And you are right. Typing here is like going into a bull fight. “


I’m sorry ... but this is a public forum.  Thank you for the title of useful idiot - it is far better than just “idiot” who believes whatever tripe they find on the internet.

You come in here raging like a bull, making nonsensical statements and acting like they are fact. When they are provably and demonstrably not.  When challenged, you then do not stand by your comments, you simply delete them, to try and hide what you said?

This is a public forum, Renake.  Yours is not the only view that matters.  Like L181SKY you are entitled to believe whatever you want, but when you express it as an opinion, then try and claim that opinion is a fact (again, your since deleted crack about “Kill Bill Gates” and remonstrating about Vaccine) then, as it is a public forum, you can expect to get people who disagree with you.

If you then start chucking insults around (and subsequently delete them to pretend you haven’t and you are the aggrieved party), then again, expect the responses to be a little terse.

I have started copying and pasting your responses into my posts, rather than using “reply to” on its own, so you cannot pretend that you didn’t say the things you did.

It’s a sad state of affairs when it reaches that point.  If you are so convinced of your views, then stop deleting them, and leave them for all to see. And judge.


and ... L181SKY, 5G doesn’t have greater capacity, it has greater bandwidth - so that data can flow between two points at faster speed, however the higher the frequency, the shorter the range.  
Nobody needs 5G to track us, either.  The government of Spain, with BOE 86, made it legal 2 weeks ago to track everyone here using their cellphone, whether they are using GPRS / Enhanced / 3G / LTE ... 5G is just not required for that.  This is not a sarcastic remark - it is simply an explanatory from someone who has a great deal of experience in this field.

😘

Renake

Posted: Sat May 2, 2020 8:44pm

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Posted: Sat May 2, 2020 8:44pm

L181SKY wrote on Sat May 2, 2020 7:55pm:

😘

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DarioMartin

Posted: Sat May 2, 2020 9:30pm

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Posted: Sat May 2, 2020 9:30pm

Incidentally, I’ve never said and never will say that we are not being monitored.  Because we are, in sooooo many ways and there is little we can do about it - little, but not nothing.

I’ve already mentioned about Spain’s legalization of tracking mobile phones - supposedly only until end of State of Alarm, buuuuuut ... ?

London, of course, with its cameras, one of the most - if not THE most monitored city in the world.  Just by walking through London, your face is captured on a SCARY number of cameras.

Then of course there’s Social Media - it’s very well known that Social Media is monitored, watched, checked to see if anyone is posting hate-speech, terrorist propaganda .... but Facebooks hueristics can throw up all sorts of errors.

But there’s some not-so-well known methods.  For those of you that use Windows 10; one of its big points was that you could wake it from sleep with a smile .... yayyyyy wait ... does that mean it has facial recognition and an always active camera ...? Hmmmm

Then there is a “service” that runs; originally called “Diagnostic Tracking Service”, it was retro-fitted by updates to Windows 8.1 / 8 / 7.  It is a service that collects everything you type, everything you search in Cortana and the index of media files, and sends it up to Microsoft servers every 30 minutes (it’s one of the reasons W10 can run a little slow.)  It was quickly discovered by computer users and the subsequent uproar caused Microsoft to .... change the name of the service to “Connected User Experience and Telemetry”.  I disable that service very very quickly.

So what can you do? Don’t go online without a VPN - a Virtual Private Network - that encrypts your connection and builds an encrypted “tunnel” so even your ISP can’t see what’s going through to and from your computer.  I use NordVPN, ultra reliable, very fast and doesn’t keep logs.

If you have anything sensitive to say to someone, don’t say it on a public forum, on social media, on Messenger or even on WhatsApp, which although it advises end-to-end encryption, is owned by Facebook and their Privacy is shocking.

Instead use a free app called Signal, which is open source and offers true end-to-end encryption.

And if like me you are completely paranoid about digital security, use GnuPG (PGP) to encrypt messages with military grade encryption.  It’s Public Key / Private Key encryption and is very very secure.  Obviously the recipient also needs PGP, but you can encrypt emails as well as messages.  It allows up to 4096 bit RSA encryption.

NordVPN gives you a mobile phone app as well - so if I have something sensitive to say to a contact, I encrypt it, send it via Signal, over a connection protected by NordVPN.  Someone wants to untangle that amount of encryption? Good luck ..... 😎

Fresh

Posted: Sun May 3, 2020 10:47am

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Posted: Sun May 3, 2020 10:47am

Has anyone really thought this through?  If the government were to be tracking people randomly, they are welcome imho as whoever was doing it would just be bored (especially at the moment).  The amount of information that would be available would be impossible to sift or manage.  

On the plus side, using specific tracking of information has saved many lives through being able to infiltrate terrorist cells, here in the UK at least.  

One other thing - don’t use Google as your search engine, if you are worried re being tracked.  Switch to something like DuckDuckGo.  You won’t notice any difference in your ability to search but will notice that the ads remain where they were when you switched as Google tracks the sites you visit.  If you can’t be bothered, I understand that too.

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