Coming to Spain - Page 18

I wasn’t being derogatory to theSpanish government but just suggesting Spain is unlikely to welcome the British if the British don’t welcome them. In my view Spain has responded well to the crises (after a slow start).andy 

“the poster has now corrected himself, not actual deaths but recorded deaths ,in the 24 hours.“

These were actual deaths. Real people. Yes, they had not occurred in the last 24 hours but they did happen. And were reported or slipped into the figures in the last 24 hours, as if we might not notice...

And the ONS this morning, a well-known leftwing institution lol, has today said there are 50,000 U.K. Covid19 deaths, making it the second highest state in the word, after the US. But no worries, carry on England in your own sweet way, just don’t bring it with you to Spain.

Chris

One thing we mustn't lose sight of is that Spain has not banned Brits and Mr Johnson and his government have a few weeks to get their house in order. As of this moment, Brits are welcome in Spain with effect from 1st July. 

Let's hope it can be done. 

My Hint to Mr Johnson:- Get the "R" figure to 0.5 and ensure it is genuine and not propaganda.(It's about the only figure the Tories are not talking about at the moment).

Sorry to contradict you Matthew, but Brits HAVE been banned - the Minister for Tourism has said that UK Nationals will not be allowed into Spain until the Government has made headway into dealing with the crisis.  This doesn't mean a slight drop, it means a sustained period of no fresh infections and very low death rates.  British Nationals will not be climbing off the aeroplanes in Spain on 1st July, no matter what the various British newspapers might be saying.  I'm guessing now end of July, beginning of August - provided there is now no sudden increase in infections following the recently publicised gatherings on the beach and gatherings in Trafalgar Square in support of US Protesters.  Which, lets face it, there probably will be.

People are still claiming that Spain badly needs the British holidaymaker money - it doesn't need it badly enough to cause a fresh wave of infections and a two month shutdown of the country again.

 Dario, did they say, a sustained period of low  infection and very low death rates, or is that your interpretation? 

James

The minister said that the situation had to be improved.  UK is still at "Alert" level 4, indicating there is still transmission of Covid infection occurring. 

What she actually said was:

"Maria Reyes Maroto said despite reports of a possible trial reopening which could see thousands of tourists from several nations pour into Spain, Britons would have to wait to be allowed to take holidays there.

The tourism minister revealed that Germany and the Nordic countries were most likely to be first because their “epidemiological situations are very good”.

But when asked about the UK, she reportedly said: “There the health situation still has to improve."..."

What would you call an improved health situation?  Can UK say it's health / epidemiological situation is as good as Germany or the Nordic countries?  Because it seems that will be the bar.  The Prime Minister tried to lower the Alert level to 3 but was stopped by Dr Chris Whitty apparently, and so could only say that you are moving "towards" 3. Despite still being at level 4, UK has started a decrease in lockdown measures - seemingly much against almost every scientific opinion, who are all saying "too soon".

You can bet that Spain will be watching ... with interest ... and will be watching any subsequent increase in the infections; you can also bet they will be listening to the scientists, NOT the Prime Minister.  Unfortunately for the UK, his political capital isn't very high in Europe

Why you say is true but a month is a long time in the life of this virus. And even though BJ and his government have mismanaged, the evidence suggests the virus is on the decline. I’m betting by mid July the infection rates in the U.K. will have followed a similar path to other parts of Europe and will be low and under control. Andy 

The coronavirus is a living tragedy in Europe. I know I'm repeating myself but whatever way the UK (and every other country) turns the important figure is the "R" (i.e. reproduction of the virus). This is missed by many, but get the "R" figure wrong be prepared to suffer the consequences.

Of note - following some 50 autopsies on those killed by Covid 19 the Italians are now saying that it is not a virus at all but that it is a bacterium which could be treated by known and readily available over the counter drugs.

False. Busted. https://www.poynter.org/?ifcn_misinformation=covid-19-is-a-bacteria-and-not-a-virus-according-to-a-study-by-italian-doctors

Summary:

Explanation: The claims are baseless and were made by an unreliable Nigerian gossip website. The claims are medically inaccurate and misleading.