Tourist Season Summer 2020 is History - Will Summer 2021 be Better? - Page 3

Unfortunately with this virus, the 'herd immunity' scene is yet unknown,it has mutated and people that have previously been infected have become infected again(from the WHO)you are playing a VERY dangerous game saying that kids up to 15 do not spread the virus,scientific proof shows that ANYONE ANY AGE can spread it,unfortunately the stay at home scenario is the best option at the moment,sadly in the UK we have the opposition parties keep asking when we will and how will be come out of 'lockdown' all they are doing is causing unrest in the younger/thicker/mob to ignore the advice.

All of Europe are at risk of a 'second wave' of contagion until we have a vaccine and or keep certain measures as the norm

Excellent post Mr Hart - at long last some insight from somebody who knows what he is talking about.

In Ireland we have just learned from official sources that it appears all the pubs will remain closed for at least the rest of 2020 (and Ireland like Spain is heavily dependent on tourism). 

We are informed that there could be up to nine waves of Coronavirus necessary to have at least 60% of the population infected when a near zero "R" rate should kick in and leading to control of infection of the virus. There is a "long" way to go before this can be achieved and the reporter said that complacency is the government's main fear.

Ireland is in a relatively good place regarding Covid-19 (610 deaths todate, hospital, care home, community deaths included), Spain is not in a good place (20,453 deaths in the hospital system only included; do your own calculations for care homes and community to be added).

My Revised Conclusion:- Tourist season in Spain will not happen before 2021. 

I tend to agree with you there Matthew - Vera has cancelled two of its bigger festivals, including Moros y Cristianos.  Mojácar has postponed Moors and Christians to an as-yet-to-be determined time, but I can see that being cancelled.

Vera’s end of summer Feria in September is very much in doubt now as well.  All over the country, Pueblo’s are going to be cancelling the various festivals and fiestas that tourists enjoy.  

As I’ve mentioned before though, it’s not just about what’s happening in Spain, it’s whether when Spain “reopens” it will open its borders to countries who have not been as stringent in their measures against infection.

One of the other BIG problems is the  influx of illegal/economic/persecuted migrants(choose your own definition) .most of these are coming from sub Saharan Africa where there is little or no control of the virus,

they then travel all over Europe trying to find a place to settle,again in the UK it is not such a large problem BUT for mainland Europe,Spain/Greece/Italy(the frontline ) it will be an added nightmare to try to control things.

As an aside, I work on Nuclear plants and people say is it not scary,well no not really we know where the bad stuff is (or should be) and we put control measures in place (PPE etc)now this virus IS scary as we know about it but have no idea where it is

Hi CranCrank, Its over 3 weeks since you informed me of "more scaremongering" - Do you still hold this view? or like some others here I bet you've joined my way of thinking! If so, Welcome Aboard!

Bored again Matt?

You're right CranCrank. I'm bored somewhat during these dreadful times, who isn't? But, at this stage, I bet even you agree with me on the subject.

I respect your point of view, of course. None of us know the outcome yet, hence being interested in different solutions might pay off without jumping to conclusions . An interesting 30 minuters on lock down channels today. 

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bfN2JWifLCY&fbclid=IwAR26ujI3FK6gqblzmVs5OQ8tRBIPWcQ9suMQwEsjIfKL5Nt7PFIwqKfBkec

Do we go bar hoppning, to the hairdresser, grocery shopping as 65+? We don't. A retired friends works extra in preschool, one works extra at the hospital. Do we get together? No we font, even if allowed to. 

had to stop the video after 2mins,the so called prof is,as far as I am concerned is another quack but a very dangerous one,

Sweden have today seen a spike in infections,

if your neighbour has a rabid dog you dont go near it do you?

as for the bit about over 65,well, maybe we dont go to bars or hairdresser BUT plenty of people do and EACH and EVERYONE of us can have/spread this virus,over 65s are MORE liable to have a bad reaction to the virus that is proven,anyone can spread the virus,that is proven,you do not know who has the virus,that is proven,I would rather listen to PROOF than,'I think this or that'.

some other so called scientist reckons it was man made by the chinese because how could a virus come from a cold climate to a warm one in europe,well sorry matey when it came here it was WINTER.

lockdown HAS been proven to slow the spread,social distancing HAS been proven to slow the spread,yes albeit not stop it but it buys time and that is what we need at the moment, dont spend too much time on 'social media' spend more time reading reputable scientific journals

going back to the over 65s we may act a bit more cautiously and stay home more or think more about our actions,it is the younger generation that are the bigger threat because they think a) they are immune,b)they wont get it,c)they wont be so ill, stupid idiots dont think about the risk of passing it to their parents/grandparents etc,if you look at the breakdown of fines/warnings issued by the police in the UK the great majority have been to the under 30s

And so, with the announcement last night of the de-escalation procedures, Tourist 2020 truly is toast.

Firstly, only the first 4 phases have been announced, with minimum 2 weeks between them and even at the current “advanced” phase, it’s max 50% occupancy of shops and restaurants, 2 metres distancing etc. etc.  movement within the province will be allowed, but no movement from say Madrid to Almería.

To prevent any such movement occurring, BOE 86 made it legal for the government to track movement via a persons mobile phone, and also through increased usage of water or electricity in holiday rentals.

Phase 4+ - the opening of borders and movement between provinces hasn’t even been announced yet.  Many of the festivals and fiestas that draw tourists have been cancelled for this year - for example the Moros y Cristianos gran desfile.  Vera has completely cancelled theirs, Mojácar initially said theirs was being postponed ... but given that cultural gatherings are limited to a max 400 people for the foreseeable future, I would say a postponement will turn into a cancellation - well, it will have to!

Best estimates are August / September before country starts to move together again, with “internal tourism” being touted as this years “normal”.  nothing has been said on when borders will open and overseas tourists will be permitted.  Any spike in Coronavirus infections will see immediate escalation of quarantine measures again, so given the governments plan to extend the State of Alarm, announced last night, to allow for asynchronous de-escalation and their “careful, considered” approach, I would be somewhat surprised if we see overseas tourists allowed much before September. 

So good bye Tourism 2020.