Moving to Almeria - Moving to Almería: tips and advice - Almería forum - Costa de Almería forum in the Almeria province of Spain
ASSSA Insurance
Have Tools Will Travel
Grupo Platinum Estates
DELMURJ SL
Mini Digger Almera
UK DIRECT REMOVALS

Join the Almería forum

Join the Almería forumMy name's Alex and this is my website all about Almería in Spain. Register now for free to talk about Moving to Almería: tips and advice and much more!

Moving to Almeria

Posted: Tue Aug 3, 2021 10:58am
43 replies912 views7 members subscribed
Carol61

Posts: 21

1 helpful points

Location: Almería

Joined: 7 Feb 2021

Hi my partner and I have reached 60 this year and want to retire to Spain.  I'm finding the whole thing really confusing but there's a couple of things I really need answers to.  We have enough funds for the NLV and for the first year in Spain but we will be selling our house to buy a property in Spain which we obviously won't sell until we have got the Visa.  My confusion is this.  When we get the Visa we then have to travel to Spain to get the NIE within 30 days in this correct?  Do we then have a year to sell our house in England and buy a house in Spain?  I have also been informed that once I get the NIE I have to pay tax and we would have to pay Capital Gains Tax to Spain for the sale of our home in England?  I hope someone can help me with this.  Regards Carol

ReT

Vera

Posted: Mon Aug 9, 2021 8:03am

Vera

Helpful member

Posts: 296

111 helpful points

Location: Albox

Joined: 11 May 2021

Posted: Mon Aug 9, 2021 8:03am

Hi sorry i dont have answer but im in same position and very confused. Be interesting to find out as get mixed messages

DarioMartin

Posted: Mon Aug 9, 2021 8:57pm

DarioMartin

Legendary helpful member

Posts: 5408

6459 helpful points

Location: Vera

Joined: 16 Aug 2017

Posted: Mon Aug 9, 2021 8:57pm

Carol61 wrote on Tue Aug 3, 2021 10:58am:

Hi my partner and I have reached 60 this year and want to retire to Spain.  I'm finding the whole thing really confusing but there's a couple of things I really need answers to.  We have enough funds for the NLV and for the first year in Spain but we will be selling our house to buy a p...

...roperty in Spain which we obviously won't sell until we have got the Visa.  My confusion is this.  When we get the Visa we then have to travel to Spain to get the NIE within 30 days in this correct?  Do we then have a year to sell our house in England and buy a house in Spain?  I have also been informed that once I get the NIE I have to pay tax and we would have to pay Capital Gains Tax to Spain for the sale of our home in England?  I hope someone can help me with this.  Regards Carol

ReT

Once you receive your NLV, you have 90 days in which to travel to Spain, on arrival, you will have 30 days to apply for your TIE.

Once you are resident, i.e. have arrived and taken up your NLV, you become liable to pay Spanish tax on worldwide income.  This includes Capital Gains Tax on a house sold in the UK - IF it is sold in the Spanish tax year that you become resident.

The Spanish tax year runs Jan to Dec.  as I understand it, if you get your NLV in say, November, and sell your house then, arriving in Spain early January, a new tax year has started and you are therefore not liable for CGT on your house…. I BELIEVE this is correct and I look for guidance for those far better versed in the intricacies if Spanish tax than I 

I AM however certain that once NLV granted you have 90 days to take it up, not 30

Vera

Posted: Mon Aug 9, 2021 9:17pm

Vera

Helpful member

Posts: 296

111 helpful points

Location: Albox

Joined: 11 May 2021

Posted: Mon Aug 9, 2021 9:17pm

DarioMartin wrote on Mon Aug 9, 2021 8:57pm:

Once you receive your NLV, you have 90 days in which to travel to Spain, on arrival, you will have 30 days to apply for your TIE.

Once you are resident, i.e. have arrived and taken up your NLV, you become liable to pay Spanish tax on worldwide income.  This includes Capital Gains Tax on a house sold in the UK - IF it is sold in the Spanish tax year that you become resident....

...

The Spanish tax year runs Jan to Dec.  as I understand it, if you get your NLV in say, November, and sell your house then, arriving in Spain early January, a new tax year has started and you are therefore not liable for CGT on your house…. I BELIEVE this is correct and I look for guidance for those far better versed in the intricacies if Spanish tax than I 

I AM however certain that once NLV granted you have 90 days to take it up, not 30

What if you have already sold your house before applying for anything?? E.g. sold uk house&living with family whilst viewing areas/properties

DarioMartin

Posted: Mon Aug 9, 2021 9:28pm

DarioMartin

Legendary helpful member

Posts: 5408

6459 helpful points

Location: Vera

Joined: 16 Aug 2017

Posted: Mon Aug 9, 2021 9:28pm

Vera wrote on Mon Aug 9, 2021 9:17pm:

What if you have already sold your house before applying for anything?? E.g. sold uk house&living with family whilst viewing areas/properties

I stand to correction, but it really depends on whether you sell your house in the same tax year that you become resident - I THINK, and I really really hope someone with some concrete knowledge weighs in here because I am going on what I BELIEVE I have read of other peoples experiences - I have no direct experience myself

Advertisement - posts continue below

Carol61

Posted: Mon Aug 9, 2021 9:41pm

Carol61

Original Poster

Posts: 21

1 helpful points

Location: Almería

Joined: 7 Feb 2021

Posted: Mon Aug 9, 2021 9:41pm

DarioMartin wrote on Mon Aug 9, 2021 9:28pm:

I stand to correction, but it really depends on whether you sell your house in the same tax year that you become resident - I THINK, and I really really hope someone with some concrete knowledge weighs in here because I am going on what I BELIEVE I have read of other peoples experiences - I have ...

...no direct experience myself

Thank you for your help so far.  I think I've got it.  Once I get my TIE I have a years visa.  So if I get my TIE by say November/ December of this year I can then sell my house back in England any time next year which, for us, would be by March/April.

Thanks

Vera

Posted: Mon Aug 9, 2021 9:45pm

Vera

Helpful member

Posts: 296

111 helpful points

Location: Albox

Joined: 11 May 2021

Posted: Mon Aug 9, 2021 9:45pm

DarioMartin wrote on Mon Aug 9, 2021 9:28pm:

I stand to correction, but it really depends on whether you sell your house in the same tax year that you become resident - I THINK, and I really really hope someone with some concrete knowledge weighs in here because I am going on what I BELIEVE I have read of other peoples experiences - I have ...

...no direct experience myself

Hi thank you for your assistance. It seems a bit confusing as if you sell a hoise in uk&put money in bank whilst looking for a property in spain then the miney in bank.would be classed as savings as you could be looking for a property in spain for  a while so i cant see how you would have to pay CGT.  All very confusing&something i need to loik into

DarioMartin

Posted: Mon Aug 9, 2021 10:43pm

DarioMartin

Legendary helpful member

Posts: 5408

6459 helpful points

Location: Vera

Joined: 16 Aug 2017

Posted: Mon Aug 9, 2021 10:43pm

Vera wrote on Mon Aug 9, 2021 9:45pm:

Hi thank you for your assistance. It seems a bit confusing as if you sell a hoise in uk&put money in bank whilst looking for a property in spain then the miney in bank.would be classed as savings as you could be looking for a property in spain for  a while so i cant see how you would hav...

...e to pay CGT.  All very confusing&something i need to loik into

It’s because Spanish view house sale overseas as Capital Gains, not savings.

They are ruthless in pursuing tax here as well. Be warned.

DarioMartin

Posted: Mon Aug 9, 2021 10:47pm

DarioMartin

Legendary helpful member

Posts: 5408

6459 helpful points

Location: Vera

Joined: 16 Aug 2017

Posted: Mon Aug 9, 2021 10:47pm

Carol61 wrote on Mon Aug 9, 2021 9:41pm:

Thank you for your help so far.  I think I've got it.  Once I get my TIE I have a years visa.  So if I get my TIE by say November/ December of this year I can then sell my house back in England any time next year which, for us, would be by March/April.

Thanks

No - that would leave you liable for CGT.

You’d need to sell your house in e.g. November, and take up residency in January after the start of the new tax year.  Gains made in the same tax year after you take residency will be liable for tax - that is my understanding

Vera

Posted: Tue Aug 10, 2021 7:27am

Vera

Helpful member

Posts: 296

111 helpful points

Location: Albox

Joined: 11 May 2021

Posted: Tue Aug 10, 2021 7:27am

DarioMartin wrote on Mon Aug 9, 2021 10:43pm:

It’s because Spanish view house sale overseas as Capital Gains, not savings.

They are ruthless in pursuing tax here as well. Be warned.

Hi and thank you. Thats not great may have to put my money under my mattress. Whats the rate of tax charged?

Sign up for free or login to reply to this topic

Want to reply to this topic? Login or register for free to post your message:

Find more Moving tips and advice topics from a particular area:


Register for free!

Login to your account

ASSSA Insurance
Have Tools Will Travel
Grupo Platinum Estates
DELMURJ SL
Mini Digger Almera
UK DIRECT REMOVALS
Advertise your business here
Advertise your property
Help with my computer