Looking to re locate from england

DarioMartin wrote on Fri May 21, 2021 8:57pm:

The benefit of migrating with an Irish passport is HUGE.  As an Irish passport holder you are an EU citizen and retain Freedom of Movement.  This means on arrival, if you intend to spend longer than 90 days, you need to register with Extranjeria - this is the “old” (for UK passport ...

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...holders) Residencia process.  You need to have health cover, to show annual average bank balance of 9.050€ (or an income of 5.200€ per annum) and to be on the Padrón.

You do not have to apply for a visa or meet any of the other requirements a UK passport holder does.  The financial requirement is proved once for you, then you have your Residencia and can live and work in Spain.

For the first 5 years, you will be required to spend a minimum of 183 days a year in Spain to fulfill the requirement of continuous residency.  This will also make you tax resident in Spain and liable to pay tax in Spain on worldwide income … but the path for you with an Irish passport is much much much easier

Matthew wrote on Sat May 22, 2021 8:20am:

Hi Vera, yours is not a silly question like you thought. Irish passport holders looking to relocate in Spain are inside a big tent wishing to live in a smaller tent within. Currently, you are outside of the big tent. 

Irrespective of money, freedom-of-movement within the EU will probably be your main issue. Before you pay a penny to reside in Spain you'll need an NIE number (available through the Spanish Embassy in the UK @ £6/£7). You can get this easily no matter what nationality or passport you have. If y...

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...ou do this you'll save yourself about £100 as if you decide to allow your solicitor in Spain to do it, you'll get charged. 

Irish Passport:- If you can get one, get it. Even if you father's details cannot be found get a picture of his grave-stone with names and dates shown as clearly as possible. The local authority or church-yard owner may have details of whoever was buried there and may be able to trace relevant identification numbers etc. If your father's details cannot be found* (likely) you may have to sign an affidavit regarding his details. It's no big deal (sorry if I sound flippant), but the Irish authorities are pro-active in getting as many passports issued as possible especially to people in the UK. 

Five years ago we could renew our Irish passports within a five working day turnaround; currently it's taking 6 - 8 months. Perhaps this explains the level of interest in obtaining an Irish Passport? I understand the processing of Irish passport applications for residency in Spain is an express-train route to living there. 

*Registration of births pre 1951 was no great issue in Ireland. Childrens' Allowance (Family Allowance) came into being pretty late in Ireland and there was not much monetary gain registering births until later. Many births were registered years later than the birth date. For the record most Irish births occurred at home rather than in a maternity hospital.  In the 1930's, 1940's, 1950's, 1960's, 1970's there was mass emigration from Ireland to the UK. Many Irish (including me) emigrated to the UK immediately after finishing school. Work was plentiful in the UK and the pay was better than in Ireland. Things were worse again in rural Ireland and there emigration to the UK was a near certainty for most. 

Note:- In 1970's (and before) Ireland, people were not issued with PPS (Social Security) numbers until they started work in Ireland. It is likely your father had his first real job in the UK and so he would not have been issued with an Irish number. I should add that many who worked especially in rural Ireland back then did so on a cash-per-work basis. PAYE (as in income tax) didn't come to Ireland until the late 1950's and even then not many were registered. 

Above is much a large part of the Social History of Ireland from 1921 - 1971.  

Matthew wrote on Sat May 22, 2021 9:06am:

For anybody looking in on this thread who are descended from Irish parent(s)/grandparent(s) who emigrated to the UK in the 1920's, 1930's, 1940's,1950's and even earlier don't discard that they may have arrived in the UK without a word of English. Hence, leading to different spelling of names or ...

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...anglicisation of Irish names. 

Less than a generation ago I did some research of the Irish in Britain for a non political project that sucked me in and I interviewed many Irish people residing in the UK, some never even returned to Ireland for holidays. Amongst my findings were that Irish speakers residing in the UK could speak perfect Irish in the Irish style (I bet you never thought we are a nation of mutterers), but when they spoke English it reflected UK accents the areas in which they lived. In some cases I learnt that their offspring hadn't realised that their parents spoke Irish (some even still calculated in Irish before translating the answer in English).

For the record, both my grandfathers were born in the UK and lived there before emigrating to Ireland (I think we have nicer women - just joking!). I have applied for a UK passport as I spend much time there, but the system doesn't work the other way round and I have to be content with my Irish Passport. 

Matthew wrote on Sat May 22, 2021 8:20am:

Hi Vera, yours is not a silly question like you thought. Irish passport holders looking to relocate in Spain are inside a big tent wishing to live in a smaller tent within. Currently, you are outside of the big tent. 

Irrespective of money, freedom-of-movement within the EU will probably be your main issue. Before you pay a penny to reside in Spain you'll need an NIE number (available through the Spanish Embassy in the UK @ £6/£7). You can get this easily no matter what nationality or passport you have. If y...

Read more...

...ou do this you'll save yourself about £100 as if you decide to allow your solicitor in Spain to do it, you'll get charged. 

Irish Passport:- If you can get one, get it. Even if you father's details cannot be found get a picture of his grave-stone with names and dates shown as clearly as possible. The local authority or church-yard owner may have details of whoever was buried there and may be able to trace relevant identification numbers etc. If your father's details cannot be found* (likely) you may have to sign an affidavit regarding his details. It's no big deal (sorry if I sound flippant), but the Irish authorities are pro-active in getting as many passports issued as possible especially to people in the UK. 

Five years ago we could renew our Irish passports within a five working day turnaround; currently it's taking 6 - 8 months. Perhaps this explains the level of interest in obtaining an Irish Passport? I understand the processing of Irish passport applications for residency in Spain is an express-train route to living there. 

*Registration of births pre 1951 was no great issue in Ireland. Childrens' Allowance (Family Allowance) came into being pretty late in Ireland and there was not much monetary gain registering births until later. Many births were registered years later than the birth date. For the record most Irish births occurred at home rather than in a maternity hospital.  In the 1930's, 1940's, 1950's, 1960's, 1970's there was mass emigration from Ireland to the UK. Many Irish (including me) emigrated to the UK immediately after finishing school. Work was plentiful in the UK and the pay was better than in Ireland. Things were worse again in rural Ireland and there emigration to the UK was a near certainty for most. 

Note:- In 1970's (and before) Ireland, people were not issued with PPS (Social Security) numbers until they started work in Ireland. It is likely your father had his first real job in the UK and so he would not have been issued with an Irish number. I should add that many who worked especially in rural Ireland back then did so on a cash-per-work basis. PAYE (as in income tax) didn't come to Ireland until the late 1950's and even then not many were registered. 

Above is much a large part of the Social History of Ireland from 1921 - 1971.  

DarioMartin wrote on Sat May 22, 2021 10:35am:

Just one issue Matthew, unless OP is looking to buy property or make another major purchase (e.g. car) she can get the NIE when Residencia is granted - saves money. No need to apply for an NIE, then pay again to apply for Residencia when NIE is allocated at that time 

DarioMartin wrote on Fri May 21, 2021 8:57pm:

The benefit of migrating with an Irish passport is HUGE.  As an Irish passport holder you are an EU citizen and retain Freedom of Movement.  This means on arrival, if you intend to spend longer than 90 days, you need to register with Extranjeria - this is the “old” (for UK passport ...

Read more...

...holders) Residencia process.  You need to have health cover, to show annual average bank balance of 9.050€ (or an income of 5.200€ per annum) and to be on the Padrón.

You do not have to apply for a visa or meet any of the other requirements a UK passport holder does.  The financial requirement is proved once for you, then you have your Residencia and can live and work in Spain.

For the first 5 years, you will be required to spend a minimum of 183 days a year in Spain to fulfill the requirement of continuous residency.  This will also make you tax resident in Spain and liable to pay tax in Spain on worldwide income … but the path for you with an Irish passport is much much much easier