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DarioMartin

Posted: Wed Jul 14, 2021 8:43pm

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Debra 123 wrote on Wed Jul 14, 2021 9:34am:

Thanks for this and I do appreciate you are trying to help us and for that I am very grateful. I've just reread the up to day guidelines for sorting the NLV and I am still content that it is this document, together with with NI Number (which we will acquire before buying our property) will suffic...

...e for us to spend 6 months in Spain, working remotely for my UK employer, and returning to the UK as we see fit (unless I've missed something, but I don't believe I have). If you are aware of something that I've missed I would be very grateful if you are able to point it out to me. 

Thanks

Neil

Hi Neil, you are correct in that an NLV allows you to spend more than 90 days here - HOWEVER an NLV is a path to residency as your initial NLV is valid for 12 months, after which if you wish to retain it, you are obliged to renew for a two year period.

The issue that then arises is that to retain the NLV you must comply with rules of continuous residency which state that you may not spend more than 10 months in total in a 5 year period outside Spain.

The other option then is to apply for an NLV every year, however as it is a path to residency, there is no guarantee if you let it lapse that a second application will be granted - quite apart from the fee of £518 for the application itself - every year? Ouch!

If it becomes apparent that you are using the NLV to try and get round the 90/180 restriction each year, it won’t be granted.

Another consideration is that once an NLV is granted you have 90 days to arrive in the country, and thence 30 days to apply for your TIE.  Once your TIE is granted, you become a temporary resident of Spain, which means you are obliged to file a tax return here for all income gained worldwide, and the no more than 10 months in 5 years outside Spain rule comes into force.

As stated, the NLV is a path to residency in Spain, it’s not a way round the 90/180 rule, leaving you the ability to retain UK residency and tax residency. Sorry.

EDIT: Meant to add that once you become a temporary resident (i.e. take up your NLV) you will be obliged to surrender your UK driving licence and take a driving test to obtain a Spanish Carnet de Conducir.  You cannot “holiday” in Spain for 6 months on an NLV - well you can - but only once.

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Posted: Wed Jul 14, 2021 10:37pm

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Posted: Wed Jul 14, 2021 10:37pm

Alicia 11 wrote on Wed Jul 14, 2021 7:16pm:

the  first thing that comes up if you Google a NLV is that you have to have an income that does not involve working so how can you work remotely for a company in the UK under that rule?

I think that means not working within Spain, as in for a Spanish based company where you would pay taxes to the Spanish government. There is an allowance for remote workers (working for organisations in your patent country) 

Debra 123

Posted: Wed Jul 14, 2021 11:38pm

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Posted: Wed Jul 14, 2021 11:38pm

DarioMartin wrote on Wed Jul 14, 2021 8:43pm:

Hi Neil, you are correct in that an NLV allows you to spend more than 90 days here - HOWEVER an NLV is a path to residency as your initial NLV is valid for 12 months, after which if you wish to retain it, you are obliged to renew for a two year period.

The issue that then arises is that to retain the NLV you must comply with rules of continuous residency which state that you may not spend more than 10 months in total in a 5 year period outside Spain....

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The other option then is to apply for an NLV every year, however as it is a path to residency, there is no guarantee if you let it lapse that a second application will be granted - quite apart from the fee of £518 for the application itself - every year? Ouch!

If it becomes apparent that you are using the NLV to try and get round the 90/180 restriction each year, it won’t be granted.

Another consideration is that once an NLV is granted you have 90 days to arrive in the country, and thence 30 days to apply for your TIE.  Once your TIE is granted, you become a temporary resident of Spain, which means you are obliged to file a tax return here for all income gained worldwide, and the no more than 10 months in 5 years outside Spain rule comes into force.

As stated, the NLV is a path to residency in Spain, it’s not a way round the 90/180 rule, leaving you the ability to retain UK residency and tax residency. Sorry.

EDIT: Meant to add that once you become a temporary resident (i.e. take up your NLV) you will be obliged to surrender your UK driving licence and take a driving test to obtain a Spanish Carnet de Conducir.  You cannot “holiday” in Spain for 6 months on an NLV - well you can - but only once.

WOW, this I did not know, is this a recent change to the NLV? We do want residency but not for probably another 5 years or so. We were under the impression that the NLV allowed us to stay in Spain longer than 90 days, but that there were no other restrictions that come with it. The NI would have to come first to enable us to buy the property in Spain, followed up by the NLV for occupancy. The way this looks is that we can buy the property but then only reside in it for 3 months at a time, followed by a period of 3 months back in the UK, this is not what we want. We do have our lawyer in Spain checking this out of us, but thank you for what you have explained to us, very helpful, even if its not what we wanted to hear. 

DarioMartin

Posted: Thu Jul 15, 2021 8:06am

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Debra 123 wrote on Wed Jul 14, 2021 11:38pm:

WOW, this I did not know, is this a recent change to the NLV? We do want residency but not for probably another 5 years or so. We were under the impression that the NLV allowed us to stay in Spain longer than 90 days, but that there were no other restrictions that come with it. The NI would have ...

...to come first to enable us to buy the property in Spain, followed up by the NLV for occupancy. The way this looks is that we can buy the property but then only reside in it for 3 months at a time, followed by a period of 3 months back in the UK, this is not what we want. We do have our lawyer in Spain checking this out of us, but thank you for what you have explained to us, very helpful, even if its not what we wanted to hear. 

No the rules for the NLV have been this way for a while.  With regards your lawyer in Spain, I would encourage you to use a lawyer who specializes in migration as I have seen people who use the same lawyer for Residencia that  they used to buy a house and have had … issues …

The migration requirements vary from region to region (in terms of how the amount needed to support you can be derived) so it is quite important to use a lawyer versed in migration law.  Should you wish a second opinion, I can recommend Mundi Abogados at Las Buganvillas roundabout on the Vera - Garrucha road.  I have absolutely no connection with them, but they get very very good reports from people that have contacted them and used them.

Yes, there are a lot more restrictions surrounding the NLV than may first be apparent - I’m hoping any forum members who have come here on the NLV can weigh in and offer their thoughts.

Debra 123

Posted: Thu Jul 15, 2021 9:15am

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Posted: Thu Jul 15, 2021 9:15am

DarioMartin wrote on Thu Jul 15, 2021 8:06am:

No the rules for the NLV have been this way for a while.  With regards your lawyer in Spain, I would encourage you to use a lawyer who specializes in migration as I have seen people who use the same lawyer for Residencia that  they used to buy a house and have had … issues …

The migration requirements vary from region to region (in terms of how the amount needed to support you can be derived) so it is quite important to use a lawyer versed in migration law.  Should you wish a second opinion, I can recommend Mundi Abogados at Las Buganvillas roundabout on the Ver...

...a - Garrucha road.  I have absolutely no connection with them, but they get very very good reports from people that have contacted them and used them.

Yes, there are a lot more restrictions surrounding the NLV than may first be apparent - I’m hoping any forum members who have come here on the NLV can weigh in and offer their thoughts.

So I'm guessing the first thing to do is get the NLV, then within 90 days obtain the NI and complete purchase of the property and get physically into Spain, otherwise lose the Visa and start again? 

It looks like the Spanish are against more people buying property in Spain and spending time in their country.  I've also noticed that the overall cost for getting the NLV (including cost of medical insurance) is way over €3000 for a couple. 

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Posted: Thu Jul 15, 2021 9:19am

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Posted: Thu Jul 15, 2021 9:19am

Debra 123 wrote on Wed Jul 14, 2021 11:38pm:

WOW, this I did not know, is this a recent change to the NLV? We do want residency but not for probably another 5 years or so. We were under the impression that the NLV allowed us to stay in Spain longer than 90 days, but that there were no other restrictions that come with it. The NI would have ...

...to come first to enable us to buy the property in Spain, followed up by the NLV for occupancy. The way this looks is that we can buy the property but then only reside in it for 3 months at a time, followed by a period of 3 months back in the UK, this is not what we want. We do have our lawyer in Spain checking this out of us, but thank you for what you have explained to us, very helpful, even if its not what we wanted to hear. 

Hi, this is why I said in my original reply “reread the rules on NLV”.

I would also, as others have suggested change your lawyer. As the UK made the decision to leave the EU, it became a third country, so the rules changed dramatically. Employ a specialist. 

DarioMartin

Posted: Thu Jul 15, 2021 11:12am

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Debra 123 wrote on Thu Jul 15, 2021 9:15am:

So I'm guessing the first thing to do is get the NLV, then within 90 days obtain the NI and complete purchase of the property and get physically into Spain, otherwise lose the Visa and start again? 

It looks like the Spanish are against more people buying property in Spain and spending time in their country.  I've also noticed that the overall cost for getting the NLV (including cost of medical insurance) is way over €3000 for a couple. ...

...

Yep, getting the NLV is certainly pricey for sure.

Your NIEs will be assigned when your NLV is issued, so you won’t need to wait for that.  Once NLV is granted you then have 90 days in which to actually take it up - i.e. arrive in the country.

Jack

Posted: Thu Jul 15, 2021 10:45pm

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Posted: Thu Jul 15, 2021 10:45pm

Debra 123 wrote on Thu Jul 15, 2021 9:15am:

So I'm guessing the first thing to do is get the NLV, then within 90 days obtain the NI and complete purchase of the property and get physically into Spain, otherwise lose the Visa and start again? 

It looks like the Spanish are against more people buying property in Spain and spending time in their country.  I've also noticed that the overall cost for getting the NLV (including cost of medical insurance) is way over €3000 for a couple. ...

...

Have you explored the idea of living in another country if you think Spain are working against you?

Debra 123

Posted: Thu Jul 15, 2021 11:29pm

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Posted: Thu Jul 15, 2021 11:29pm

Jack wrote on Thu Jul 15, 2021 10:45pm:

Have you explored the idea of living in another country if you think Spain are working against you?

It has crossed our mind, and we have taken a tokenary look, but all in all Spain ticks more boxes than any other country, especially when it comes to how much property you get for your €

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Posted: Fri Jul 16, 2021 7:36am

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Posted: Fri Jul 16, 2021 7:36am

Regarding medication, most items can be purchased without prescription otherwise a private doctor can prescribe them for you.  Good luck.

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