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Spanish Residency after Brexit

Posted: Thu Apr 11, 2024 8:58am
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Hillbilly53

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Hi, if anyone can advise on how to persue application for Spanish residency to avoid the 90/180 rule. I’m retired and have no intention to work there, just want to be able to stay for longer periods. Are there organisations/ individuals who can advise or guide people through this ?

Hoping for a reply

Steve

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Posted: Thu Apr 11, 2024 11:00am

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Posted: Thu Apr 11, 2024 11:00am

Hillbilly53 wrote on Thu Apr 11, 2024 8:58am:

Hi, if anyone can advise on how to persue application for Spanish residency to avoid the 90/180 rule. I’m retired and have no intention to work there, just want to be able to stay for longer periods. Are there organisations/ individuals who can advise or guide people through this ?

Hoping for a reply...

...

Steve

First question is, do you have or 

can get a EU passport? If yes, it’s pretty easy, if no, you are looking at some kind of visa.

DarioMartin

Posted: Thu Apr 11, 2024 8:34pm

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Posted: Thu Apr 11, 2024 8:34pm

Hillbilly53 wrote on Thu Apr 11, 2024 8:58am:

Hi, if anyone can advise on how to persue application for Spanish residency to avoid the 90/180 rule. I’m retired and have no intention to work there, just want to be able to stay for longer periods. Are there organisations/ individuals who can advise or guide people through this ?

Hoping for a reply...

...

Steve

Hi Steve, if you are a UK passport holder, then you are looking at an NLV - Non Lucrative Visa; however, this is not simply a “long stay” visa that circumvents the 90/180 rule, it is a path to residency and so carries with it a whole set of restrictions :- e.g. once you are granted an NLV, you have three months in which to take it up and enter the country; once here, you may not be absent from Spain for more than 10 months aggregate in the first five years (and no more than 6 months in any year)

It’s also very expensive to apply for; the visa fee itself is £528 and i have read of people who have paid in the region of £2.500 total to get the visa and all necessary clearances, certificates, translations and apostilles.

If you are intending to live here, that’s the way to go - but the NLV isn’t just a way of circumventing the 90/180 every year and spending a bit longer here (unless you are intending to go through an NLV application process with attendant costs every year)

Hillbilly53

Posted: Fri Apr 12, 2024 8:40pm

Hillbilly53

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Posted: Fri Apr 12, 2024 8:40pm

DarioMartin wrote on Thu Apr 11, 2024 8:34pm:

Hi Steve, if you are a UK passport holder, then you are looking at an NLV - Non Lucrative Visa; however, this is not simply a “long stay” visa that circumvents the 90/180 rule, it is a path to residency and so carries with it a whole set of restrictions :- e.g. once you are granted an NLV, yo...

...u have three months in which to take it up and enter the country; once here, you may not be absent from Spain for more than 10 months aggregate in the first five years (and no more than 6 months in any year)

It’s also very expensive to apply for; the visa fee itself is £528 and i have read of people who have paid in the region of £2.500 total to get the visa and all necessary clearances, certificates, translations and apostilles.

If you are intending to live here, that’s the way to go - but the NLV isn’t just a way of circumventing the 90/180 every year and spending a bit longer here (unless you are intending to go through an NLV application process with attendant costs every year)

Hi,

Thanks for the informative reply. Looking into the elements of your reply I guess it’s not easy. As I already have French residency I’ll stick with that and hope there’s no border checks when I’m toing and frowing 

Steve

DarioMartin

Posted: Fri Apr 12, 2024 8:55pm

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Posted: Fri Apr 12, 2024 8:55pm

Hillbilly53 wrote on Fri Apr 12, 2024 8:40pm:

Hi,

Thanks for the informative reply. Looking into the elements of your reply I guess it’s not easy. As I already have French residency I’ll stick with that and hope there’s no border checks when I’m toing and frowing 

Steve

There shouldn’t be - that’s the whole point of the Schengen - borderless travel.

Yes, unfortunately French residency doesn’t grant you the same Freedom of Movement as would being a holder of a French passport.  Depending on how you work your journeys, as soon as you go back into France, as that is your country of residency, it starts the dropping off of days spent in the Schengen outside your country of residency.

I obviously wouldn’t advise trying to cheat the system and just grab longer here and hope you don’t get found out, because if you do get stopped and a particularly bored Guardia Civil starts asking questions, you not only risk a large fine but also jeopardize your ability to travel around the Schengen in future - it MAY even impact on your French residency - I just don’t know.

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Hillbilly53

Posted: Sat Apr 13, 2024 8:46am

Hillbilly53

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Posted: Sat Apr 13, 2024 8:46am

DarioMartin wrote on Fri Apr 12, 2024 8:55pm:

There shouldn’t be - that’s the whole point of the Schengen - borderless travel.

Yes, unfortunately French residency doesn’t grant you the same Freedom of Movement as would being a holder of a French passport.  Depending on how you work your journeys, as soon as you go back into France, as that is your country of residency, it starts the dropping off of days spent in t...

...he Schengen outside your country of residency.

I obviously wouldn’t advise trying to cheat the system and just grab longer here and hope you don’t get found out, because if you do get stopped and a particularly bored Guardia Civil starts asking questions, you not only risk a large fine but also jeopardize your ability to travel around the Schengen in future - it MAY even impact on your French residency - I just don’t know.

Thanks for the info, it’s worth bearing in mind. What benefit did we get from Brexit !!!!!.I’ve spent more than half my adult life working and living in different European countries and consider myself as European as well as British. Now because of Brexit I am penalised for being British. 

ScottBrown

Posted: Sat Apr 13, 2024 1:56pm

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Posted: Sat Apr 13, 2024 1:56pm

Hi ,I’ve recently gone through the whole process as a British passport holder for a NLV & be assured it’s a long tedious process ! I was resident in Ireland & your application has to be first checked by BLS before it is then sent to the Spanish Embassy along with the Official forms ( which you can download easily) you also have to provide proof of Spanish Medical Insurance,Police Clearance ( translated into Spanish & Apostled) proof that you have the financial means to support yourself( translated again& if receiving any form of Pension has to be highlighted & proven) Medical Cerificate on official document in Spanish ( you can get form at a Tobacconist !!!) 3 months of Bank Statements& that your tax affairs are in order your passport has to be at least valid for 1yr 

We had purchased a property & had to then get NIE numbers issued & also had to provide our flight/ ferry/ travel details before Visa was issued / collected at Embassy in Dublin

I believe there are BLS agency offices in London, Manchester & Edinburgh

When trying contact Embassy would normally wait 5/7 days for an email reply waste of time trying to ring them as only get recorded messages

It probably cost me in region of €1200 & took 10 weeks

Another reason I have applied for Irish Passport Brexit did no one any favours

Good Luck.

Hillbilly53

Posted: Sat Apr 13, 2024 3:34pm

Hillbilly53

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Posted: Sat Apr 13, 2024 3:34pm

ScottBrown wrote on Sat Apr 13, 2024 1:56pm:

Hi ,I’ve recently gone through the whole process as a British passport holder for a NLV & be assured it’s a long tedious process ! I was resident in Ireland & your application has to be first checked by BLS before it is then sent to the Spanish Embassy along with the Official forms ( ...

...which you can download easily) you also have to provide proof of Spanish Medical Insurance,Police Clearance ( translated into Spanish & Apostled) proof that you have the financial means to support yourself( translated again& if receiving any form of Pension has to be highlighted & proven) Medical Cerificate on official document in Spanish ( you can get form at a Tobacconist !!!) 3 months of Bank Statements& that your tax affairs are in order your passport has to be at least valid for 1yr 

We had purchased a property & had to then get NIE numbers issued & also had to provide our flight/ ferry/ travel details before Visa was issued / collected at Embassy in Dublin

I believe there are BLS agency offices in London, Manchester & Edinburgh

When trying contact Embassy would normally wait 5/7 days for an email reply waste of time trying to ring them as only get recorded messages

It probably cost me in region of €1200 & took 10 weeks

Another reason I have applied for Irish Passport Brexit did no one any favours

Good Luck.

Thanks very helpful. Although I would most likely qualify I’ve decided to leave it. Instead I’ll use the 90 days each summer and travel elsewhere for uk winter. I’ve already booked a 6 month trip now to my daughter’s in New Zealand this winter no stress 😎 

DarioMartin

Posted: Sat Apr 13, 2024 3:40pm

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Posted: Sat Apr 13, 2024 3:40pm

Hillbilly53 wrote on Sat Apr 13, 2024 3:34pm:

Thanks very helpful. Although I would most likely qualify I’ve decided to leave it. Instead I’ll use the 90 days each summer and travel elsewhere for uk winter. I’ve already booked a 6 month trip now to my daughter’s in New Zealand this winter no stress 😎 

Pity you don’t have a New Zealand passport - they are exempt the 90/180 ruling (signed treaties with various EU countries before Schengen came into effect) 

You can still only stay a maximum of 90 days in any one country, but you don’t have to leave the Schengen and can travel straight away to another country within the Schengen that has pre-existing treaty with New Zealand

Tastytel47

Posted: Thu Apr 18, 2024 3:32pm

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Posted: Thu Apr 18, 2024 3:32pm

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627635514.   I came here on the S1 English Government Pension Scheme. 2016  But that has changed now.  As far as I know you have to provide your bank statements to show the Spanish how much money you have.   You have to have a certain amount of money on your account.    Check out with Cat Services.       Terry

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