Non lucrative visa - Page 2

psy1967 wrote on Mon Jun 28, 2021 6:36pm:

According to my good old O.E.D., the definition of an expat is someone who has been expelled or removed themselves from their homeland; Google defines an expat as "a person who lives outside their native country"; according to Wiki it's the definition that Andymac1951 has quoted.  I can't se...

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...e any requirement to maintain a residence in your home country to be an expat, the crux is that you must be ex patria.

There is minimal difference between the definitions of an expat and a migrant, however to be a migrant it is implied that the move is permanent (though presumably you could reverse it) whilst for an expat it could be temporary, permanent, or simply indeterminate.  The real difference is in the associated stereotypes.

DarioMartin wrote on Mon Jun 28, 2021 7:37pm:

Sooooo .... that would also mean then that all the farm workers who come here are actually not "migrants" but "expatriates" as many are temporary or at the very least indeterminate, as are a good proportion of the Europeans domiciled in the UK.  No more of this "EU Migrant" then - they are a...

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...ll "Expatriates" ....

Thank you Psy1967

psy1967 wrote on Mon Jun 28, 2021 8:36pm:

You make my point nicely, Dario.  African farm workers in Spain could be accurately termed expats, or they could be accurately termed immigrants (or they could be termed migrant workers if they are simply visiting on a seasonal basis to take advantage of short term work opportunities). ...

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... You must be living in Spain if you consider yourself to be an expat in Spain, you must be living in Spain if you consider yourself to be an immigrant in Spain.  The fact that one term is applied to a certain stereotype and the other term to another is essentially racism. 

This is a fairly well written piece on the subject:  https://girlvsglobe.com/expat-vs-immigrant-difference/ 

With apologies to Lizzie666 as this discussion has nothing to do with her initial question.

Roberto30710 wrote on Wed Jun 30, 2021 4:53pm:

Getting back to aim of trying to help each other, Lizzie remember that there is more than the Non-lucrative visa as an option. Consider the working visa, particularly if you can generate some income on line to supplement any pension income etc.

You will have to provide a business plan of just how you will earn some income, in the future, whilst living in Spain, but that income may assist you in building an income package that satisfies Spanish requirements....

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DarioMartin wrote on Wed Jun 30, 2021 6:00pm:

No not really; a work permit is one of the hardest visas to obtain.  You have two options - be in a skill set that appears on a list of shortage skills; then be employed by an employer in Spain, who must apply for the visa on your behalf and show that your particular skill was not able to be...

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... sourced anywhere else in the EU.

The second method is by going self-employed, but in addition to showing that you have funds to support yourself, you must present a business plan, part of which is demonstrating that you have customers in Spain with signed pre-contracts.

Roberto30710 wrote on Wed Jun 30, 2021 6:16pm:

Your information is not correct.

There is zero need to have any Spanish contracted clients, I successfully received a 3rd country self-employed visa with a business plan showing only existing British clients.