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Hi, we are considering relocating to Arboleas or surrounding area in the next couple of years. Just wondering if any residents feel the post Brexit visa requirement ie. Non lucrative is likely to be reviewed/reduced. We can afford a property and also the proof to cover 5 years, but we are hoping this may be eased before we start making serious plans.
Thank you for your time.
Posted: Sun Jun 27, 2021 8:54pm
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Lizzie666 wrote on Sat Jun 26, 2021 8:21pm:
Hi, we are considering relocating to Arboleas or surrounding area in the next couple of years. Just wondering if any residents feel the post Brexit visa requirement ie. Non lucrative is likely to be reviewed/reduced. We can afford a property and also the proof to cover 5 years, but w...
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...e are hoping this may be eased before we start making serious plans.
Thank you for your time.
In a word, no. Despite much hope and talk amongst current and prospective migrants (we’re not “expats” if we live here) there is no “special deal” being worked out for UK passport holders. Absent UK rejoining the common market and so reinstating freedom of movement, UK remains a Third Country Nation and therefore subject to the migration requirements of the individual member countries.
Migration requirements vary from country to country, some are easier, some are harder. Right now Portugal’s migration requirements are very friendly to UK nationals.
Spain’s migration requirements for UK are in line with its requirements for other third country nations, and its unlikely they are going to vary them for UK nationals in the imminent future.
DarioMartin wrote on Sun Jun 27, 2021 8:54pm:
In a word, no. Despite much hope and talk amongst current and prospective migrants (we’re not “expats” if we live here) there is no “special deal” being worked out for UK passport holders. Absent UK rejoining the common market and so reinstating freedom of movement, UK remai...
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...ns a Third Country Nation and therefore subject to the migration requirements of the individual member countries.
Migration requirements vary from country to country, some are easier, some are harder. Right now Portugal’s migration requirements are very friendly to UK nationals.
Spain’s migration requirements for UK are in line with its requirements for other third country nations, and its unlikely they are going to vary them for UK nationals in the imminent future.
Thank you for your reply. We are not deterred and will continue to investigate our options and watch the situation.
Thanks
Posted: Mon Jun 28, 2021 5:02pm
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DarioMartin wrote on Sun Jun 27, 2021 8:54pm:
In a word, no. Despite much hope and talk amongst current and prospective migrants (we’re not “expats” if we live here) there is no “special deal” being worked out for UK passport holders. Absent UK rejoining the common market and so reinstating freedom of movement, UK remai...
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...ns a Third Country Nation and therefore subject to the migration requirements of the individual member countries.
Migration requirements vary from country to country, some are easier, some are harder. Right now Portugal’s migration requirements are very friendly to UK nationals.
Spain’s migration requirements for UK are in line with its requirements for other third country nations, and its unlikely they are going to vary them for UK nationals in the imminent future.
Dario: 'We’re not “expats” if we live here'. Why not? By definition, an expat is someone who lives outside their native country, therefore living in Spain (or any country other than the UK) is a pre-requisite to being an expat if you are a native of Britain. Whether you self-define, or define others, as a migrant, an expat or anything else speaks mainly to your views on the stereotypes inferred.
Lizzie666: If you have the means to afford a property + the first 5 years, then you can afford to make plans. If the hurdle is reduced in the future then it doesn't matter if you can already clear it anyway. The best time to make serious plans to pursue your dream is right now.
Posted: Mon Jun 28, 2021 5:11pm
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psy1967 wrote on Mon Jun 28, 2021 5:02pm:
Dario: 'We’re not “expats” if we live here'. Why not? By definition, an expat is someone who lives outside their native country, therefore living in Spain (or any country other than the UK) is a pre-requisite to being an expat if you are a native of Britain. Whether you se...
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...lf-define, or define others, as a migrant, an expat or anything else speaks mainly to your views on the stereotypes inferred.
Lizzie666: If you have the means to afford a property + the first 5 years, then you can afford to make plans. If the hurdle is reduced in the future then it doesn't matter if you can already clear it anyway. The best time to make serious plans to pursue your dream is right now.
Sorry to disagree, by definition an expat is someone who works abroad but still “resides” in their home country. If you live here without maintaining a home in the UK, you are a migrant.
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Posted: Mon Jun 28, 2021 6:12pm
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psy1967 wrote on Mon Jun 28, 2021 5:02pm:
Dario: 'We’re not “expats” if we live here'. Why not? By definition, an expat is someone who lives outside their native country, therefore living in Spain (or any country other than the UK) is a pre-requisite to being an expat if you are a native of Britain. Whether you se...
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...lf-define, or define others, as a migrant, an expat or anything else speaks mainly to your views on the stereotypes inferred.
Lizzie666: If you have the means to afford a property + the first 5 years, then you can afford to make plans. If the hurdle is reduced in the future then it doesn't matter if you can already clear it anyway. The best time to make serious plans to pursue your dream is right now.
There are many definitions of the term 'expatriate', herein one example -
An expatriate (often shortened to expat) is a person residing in a country other than their native country. In common usage, the term often refers to professionals, skilled workers, or artists taking positions outside their home country, either independently or sent abroad by their employers. However, the term 'expatriate' is also used for retirees and others who have chosen to live outside their native country. Historically, it has also referred to exiles.
Posted: Mon Jun 28, 2021 6:16pm
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Lizzie666 wrote on Sat Jun 26, 2021 8:21pm:
Hi, we are considering relocating to Arboleas or surrounding area in the next couple of years. Just wondering if any residents feel the post Brexit visa requirement ie. Non lucrative is likely to be reviewed/reduced. We can afford a property and also the proof to cover 5 years, but w...
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...e are hoping this may be eased before we start making serious plans.
Thank you for your time.
Hi Lizzie,
If you can afford to buy and show proof of earnings for 5 years then I would say 'go for it'. before you make the move permanent however I would suggest you rent for a few months to find the location that best suits your needs. I would also suggest that you seek professional advice on the visa requirements, as I am sure that no matter how well intended those who respond to your enquiry are, they will not have the full picture.
Posted: Mon Jun 28, 2021 6:36pm
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DarioMartin wrote on Mon Jun 28, 2021 5:11pm:
Sorry to disagree, by definition an expat is someone who works abroad but still “resides” in their home country. If you live here without maintaining a home in the UK, you are a migrant.
According to my good old O.E.D., the definition of an expat is someone who has been expelled or removed themselves from their homeland; Google defines an expat as "a person who lives outside their native country"; according to Wiki it's the definition that Andymac1951 has quoted. I can't see any requirement to maintain a residence in your home country to be an expat, the crux is that you must be ex patria.
There is minimal difference between the definitions of an expat and a migrant, however to be a migrant it is implied that the move is permanent (though presumably you could reverse it) whilst for an expat it could be temporary, permanent, or simply indeterminate. The real difference is in the associated stereotypes.
Andymac1951 wrote on Mon Jun 28, 2021 6:16pm:
Hi Lizzie,
If you can afford to buy and show proof of earnings for 5 years then I would say 'go for it'. before you make the move permanent however I would suggest you rent for a few months to find the location that best suits your needs. I would also suggest that you seek professional advice on the v...
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...isa requirements, as I am sure that no matter how well intended those who respond to your enquiry are, they will not have the full picture.
Thank you for your response, we were intending to rent prior. We think Arboleas or surrounding area a my father in law lived in Limaria for a number of years.
Once
again, thank you for your advice
Posted: Mon Jun 28, 2021 7:37pm
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psy1967 wrote on Mon Jun 28, 2021 6:36pm:
According to my good old O.E.D., the definition of an expat is someone who has been expelled or removed themselves from their homeland; Google defines an expat as "a person who lives outside their native country"; according to Wiki it's the definition that Andymac1951 has quoted. I can't se...
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...e any requirement to maintain a residence in your home country to be an expat, the crux is that you must be ex patria.
There is minimal difference between the definitions of an expat and a migrant, however to be a migrant it is implied that the move is permanent (though presumably you could reverse it) whilst for an expat it could be temporary, permanent, or simply indeterminate. The real difference is in the associated stereotypes.
Sooooo .... that would also mean then that all the farm workers who come here are actually not "migrants" but "expatriates" as many are temporary or at the very least indeterminate, as are a good proportion of the Europeans domiciled in the UK. No more of this "EU Migrant" then - they are all "Expatriates" ....
Thank you Psy1967
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