Hunting for my home in the sun - Page 2

DarioMartin wrote on Sun Jan 10, 2021 7:58pm:

What leapt out at me immediately was your assumption of work.

You now cannot work in Spain unless you get a work permit.  Unless your jobs are on the schedule of required trades, you will not get a work permit.  If you ARE on the schedule, you then have to find an employer in Spain who cannot find your trade elsewhere in the EU and is prepared to ...

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...offer you a contract and effectively sponsor your work permit application.  Work permit applications take up to 9 months once they have been submitted .... I’d cautiously say you’ll be very very unlikely for either of you to get a work permit.

So it’ll be a non-lucrative visa, which means that if you are accepted, for the first 5 years you will not be permitted to work.  A non-lucrative visa will require you to prove 26.000€ per annum for first applicant and 6.500€ per annum for each dependent.  You will need to prove this amount at every visa renewal for the first five years.

So when you come, please do so with the knowledge that remunerated work for either of you will not be permitted, so you’ll need good financial backing to support yourselves.

This is of course assuming you want to spend more than the allowed 90 days in 180 you are now restricted to - if you are ok with three months here then minimum three months outside the Schengen before you return, then all the concern about visas falls away - you still will not be able to seek remunerated employment though - that’s a big no no and breaching that stipulation will possibly get you barred from returning to the Schengen for a period 

Mogz wrote on Wed Jan 13, 2021 1:56pm:

Hi Dario

If you get the non-lucrative visa, does it mean that you can then tap in to the Spanish Health system, or do you have to have full medical insurance?

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Thanks in advance

John

DarioMartin wrote on Wed Jan 13, 2021 2:53pm:

Non-lucrative visa : you’ll need full private health to get the visa and for your first 5 years

Mogz wrote on Thu Jan 14, 2021 12:23am:

Ah thank you Dario, I thought it was private cover for the first year, then on to the Spanish Health system after that. Brexit must have changed all that. 

Jihn

DarioMartin wrote on Thu Jan 14, 2021 7:59am:

It’s changed it hugely.  It used to be like that, because after one year you could go on to Convenio Especial but I’m not certain if that is available to those who now come across as Third Country Nationals.

I say this because you now have to prove finance and health cover at every renewal; you can’t go Autónomo to get on health system as the non-lucrative bars you from remunerated employment and so paying into Social Security....

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Thinking about it, Convenio Especial MIGHT be available if you meet the criteria, but that still requires a payment of 60€ per month (or over 65 years of age 157€ per month) convenio Especial does not cover any pre-existing conditions.

EDIT: Whilst searching for more info, I found this about obtaining healthcare in Spain.  Last paragraph deals with Convenio Especial and it appears you may well still be entitled:

https://www.angloinfo.com/how-to/spain/healthcare/health-system/benefits-cards

It doesn’t specifically exclude Third Country Nationals, but doesn’t cover pre-existing conditions or prescription costs.