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rutherlessredhead

Posted: Tue Sep 8, 2020 8:59am

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Posted: Tue Sep 8, 2020 8:59am

DarioMartin wrote on Tue Sep 8, 2020 8:50am:

I posted this on another thread, but in case you haven’t seen it, you may find this very very useful.

There is a step-by-step blog post from an American who outlines the process for a Third Country National that should be looked at by anyone coming over post 2020.  In particular the need to get your Visa first, which appears to allocate your NIE number, then arrive within 3 months of receivi...

...ng visa, and apply for TIE within 30 days of arrival.  It’s dated 14th October 2019, so still pretty relevant.

https://www.wanderingearl.com/spanish-residency-card-tie-all-you-need-to-know 

Basically from what I'm reading on here its looking pretty impossible to move over there after 1st jan 2021 😒, im absolutely gutted 😢 

DarioMartin

Posted: Tue Sep 8, 2020 9:04am

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Posted: Tue Sep 8, 2020 9:04am

rutherlessredhead wrote on Tue Sep 8, 2020 8:59am:

Basically from what I'm reading on here its looking pretty impossible to move over there after 1st jan 2021 😒, im absolutely gutted 😢 

It may well be that in the future, further discussions are held that make it easier for movement of UK citizens - MAY .... but in the immediate future, it looks very much like only those with a definite job hired by a Spanish company (through having unique skills), those wanting to study or those with a great deal of money behind them will be able to make the move

rutherlessredhead

Posted: Tue Sep 8, 2020 9:19am

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Posted: Tue Sep 8, 2020 9:19am

DarioMartin wrote on Tue Sep 8, 2020 9:04am:

It may well be that in the future, further discussions are held that make it easier for movement of UK citizens - MAY .... but in the immediate future, it looks very much like only those with a definite job hired by a Spanish company (through having unique skills), those wanting to study or those...

... with a great deal of money behind them will be able to make the move

Well the money isn't an issue , 

Just seems its all so complicated

I'll keep my fingers crossed 🤞 

DarioMartin

Posted: Tue Sep 8, 2020 9:22am

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Posted: Tue Sep 8, 2020 9:22am

rutherlessredhead wrote on Tue Sep 8, 2020 9:19am:

Well the money isn't an issue , 

Just seems its all so complicated

I'll keep my fingers crossed 🤞 

Well if money isn’t the issue, take it step by step and you’ll be fine :-D

rutherlessredhead

Posted: Tue Sep 8, 2020 9:48am

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Posted: Tue Sep 8, 2020 9:48am

DarioMartin wrote on Tue Sep 8, 2020 9:22am:

Well if money isn’t the issue, take it step by step and you’ll be fine :-D

What I'm trying to find out , 

Is , as a third country national,  not working immediately when I move , what finances do I need to have in the bank , 

Can't seem to find the answer ?

And my mum who will be retired ,and claiming a UK pension will have financial backing too 

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DarioMartin

Posted: Tue Sep 8, 2020 11:08am

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Posted: Tue Sep 8, 2020 11:08am

rutherlessredhead wrote on Tue Sep 8, 2020 9:48am:

What I'm trying to find out , 

Is , as a third country national,  not working immediately when I move , what finances do I need to have in the bank , 

Can't seem to find the answer ?

And my mum who will be retired ,and claiming a UK pension will have financial backing too 

Right - got it.  The figure at present, for one person is 27.000€ per year.  That means for one person, if you can keep 54.000€ in the bank untouched, that will cover you for each renewal period of the visa up to the 5 year point.  That probably covers your Mum although I have no idea of what Visa she’ll come in on - possibly a retirement visa which has slightly different requirements.

Your issue though is your son - as he is 18, he is an adult and not a dependent, therefore must prove financial ability in his own right if he could mes in on same visa as you.  You can check to see if a study / work visa would be better for him, otherwise you’ll need to show 54.000€ for the FIRST year, and at renewal for two years, 108.000€ for the both of you.

Does that help?

rutherlessredhead

Posted: Tue Sep 8, 2020 3:48pm

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Posted: Tue Sep 8, 2020 3:48pm

DarioMartin wrote on Tue Sep 8, 2020 11:08am:

Right - got it.  The figure at present, for one person is 27.000€ per year.  That means for one person, if you can keep 54.000€ in the bank untouched, that will cover you for each renewal period of the visa up to the 5 year point.  That probably covers your Mum although I have ...

...no idea of what Visa she’ll come in on - possibly a retirement visa which has slightly different requirements.

Your issue though is your son - as he is 18, he is an adult and not a dependent, therefore must prove financial ability in his own right if he could mes in on same visa as you.  You can check to see if a study / work visa would be better for him, otherwise you’ll need to show 54.000€ for the FIRST year, and at renewal for two years, 108.000€ for the both of you.

Does that help?

Wow   lot of money   

Yes that explains it , i was hoping to move over,  couple months settling in then get jobs 

Juliet Diaz

Posted: Tue Sep 8, 2020 8:57pm

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Posted: Tue Sep 8, 2020 8:57pm

DarioMartin wrote on Tue Sep 8, 2020 11:08am:

Right - got it.  The figure at present, for one person is 27.000€ per year.  That means for one person, if you can keep 54.000€ in the bank untouched, that will cover you for each renewal period of the visa up to the 5 year point.  That probably covers your Mum although I have ...

...no idea of what Visa she’ll come in on - possibly a retirement visa which has slightly different requirements.

Your issue though is your son - as he is 18, he is an adult and not a dependent, therefore must prove financial ability in his own right if he could mes in on same visa as you.  You can check to see if a study / work visa would be better for him, otherwise you’ll need to show 54.000€ for the FIRST year, and at renewal for two years, 108.000€ for the both of you.

Does that help?

The financial dependency requirements vary over time and by area. When we aplied in Almeria in late 2019 they didn't want to know what we had in the bank (and it was a substantial sum). All they would accept was verified annual pension. We have two sets of friends applying at the moment. One couple have been given provisional acceptance based on bank balance but the other couple have to prove sufficient income from pensions. How confusing! 

ian948

Posted: Tue Sep 8, 2020 9:17pm

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Posted: Tue Sep 8, 2020 9:17pm

One thing not mentioned is the fact that after 31 DEC 20 ( UKN's ) as third country nationals do not have a "right" to immigrate to EU - it requires approval by the country concerned , in this case Spain. That is why the appropriate visa(s) have to be requested in country of current residence - not all requests are approved to allow people to move to Spain.

I think Jan 1st 2021 is going to be a major awakening for many who did not consider what was being thrown away :-(

Dario is absolutely right - the non eu process is a tough one and takes time .....

As to a special agreement - that is going to be hard to formulate without causing other major developed countries ( non eu )  to ask why not us ? Somehow I don't think that is likely in the near term.

:-)

ian948

Posted: Tue Sep 8, 2020 9:28pm

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Posted: Tue Sep 8, 2020 9:28pm

DarioMartin wrote on Tue Sep 8, 2020 11:08am:

Right - got it.  The figure at present, for one person is 27.000€ per year.  That means for one person, if you can keep 54.000€ in the bank untouched, that will cover you for each renewal period of the visa up to the 5 year point.  That probably covers your Mum although I have ...

...no idea of what Visa she’ll come in on - possibly a retirement visa which has slightly different requirements.

Your issue though is your son - as he is 18, he is an adult and not a dependent, therefore must prove financial ability in his own right if he could mes in on same visa as you.  You can check to see if a study / work visa would be better for him, otherwise you’ll need to show 54.000€ for the FIRST year, and at renewal for two years, 108.000€ for the both of you.

Does that help?

Dario , I believe her Mum would have to apply for a NLV and Ruth the same unless she had some very special skill not able to be performed by an EU citizen . The NLV of course does not permit work of any kind. For non eu citizens to work a permit and appropriate visa are required - usually sponsored by the employer - not easy at all and a costly process.

You are correct the son is a definite problem - almost 99% unlikely to be granted a NLV , not a dependent , and without an employer sponsoring a work permit because he has special skills no work permit . To try for the self employed visa requires a significant effort to produce an approvable business plan and requires decent level of capital to start up.( all has to be approved before moving )

I am both a TCN & was EU (managed to slip in on my Brit passport for residency last year) , but know many of my countrymen ( USA ) who have to jump through huge hoops to be able to get the coveted NLV - not for the faint of heart !

Just thankful we are already here !

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