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juanida

Posted: Sat Jun 13, 2020 6:04pm

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Sharon65 wrote on Fri Jun 12, 2020 9:32am:

Hi 

As a dog lover and owner, I think the key words here are Responsible Dog Owners. We have owned dogs for years. Previously we lived in a large country house in another area. Now we live in an apartment. So obviously we did not intend to get rid of our dogs. We walk our two dogs every morning at 7 ...

...am. Then obviously we take them out when needed. Our dogs do not crap on pavement or any concrete or tiles ( Yes you can train your dog not to). 

We carry bags everywhere as a result I often find them in my handbag, cause we carry so many. 

I totally agree owners should clean up after their dogs, dogs should not crap on footpaths. Under no circumstances should a dog be anywhere near a table or use a human dish ever. 

They should not go into restaurants however if we have been for a walk, it's nice to call into a bar with an outside terrace and sit there for a little while. Our dogs are tied up beside us as far away from other people as possible. They don't bark at dogs or people. They don't ever bark at anyone out walking, they don't fight, they don't annoy people. We have trained them like that. Everywhere we go people complement us on their good behaviour. In our complex, I have asked both our nearest neighbours, have the dogs disturbed them  Our neighbours are Spanish and we get on well with them. They have said No.

Any dog that is rehomed, the home should be inspected first. Also people should not have a large amount of dogs in any home. 

I respect where you are coming from but we are not all bad. I think people who don't care generally are like that about everything in their life. 

Respect is such a simple thing. 

Hope you get sorted and get those people to clean up or ship out. 

Hi Sharon,

I have to say that you sound a really sensible and considerate person and an ideal neighbour for anyone to have.  I too think that dogs must know their place as much as one might love them.  Like you my dog never shits on a path or road and I don't believe in dogs (particularly large ones) sitting onp furniture or dribbling at the table waiting for scraps.  I also can't bear to see people let dogs lick their faces, particularly a child's face.

Dogs will rule the roost if you put them on a pedestal as they, not you,  will consider themselves the leader of the pack.  I had a neighbour who's pooch clamoured for attention all the time, yapping loudly whenever we tried to chat and then there are those with separation anxiety who howl and bark nonstop when their owners go out!  This has caused me big problems when we were trying to sell our house as people imagine that it happens all the time! The only slightly embarrassing habit I haven't been able to change in my dog unfortunately, is the interest he shows in sniffing at everyone's crutch or bottom whenever a newcomer calls, be they neighbour, Bible basher or anyone else he's never seen before, but then I suppose that would be asking too much of any self-respecting hound!

Sharon65

Posted: Sat Jun 13, 2020 6:34pm

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Posted: Sat Jun 13, 2020 6:34pm

juanida wrote on Sat Jun 13, 2020 6:04pm:

Hi Sharon,

I have to say that you sound a really sensible and considerate person and an ideal neighbour for anyone to have.  I too think that dogs must know their place as much as one might love them.  Like you my dog never shits on a path or road and I don't believe in dogs (particularly large on...

...es) sitting onp furniture or dribbling at the table waiting for scraps.  I also can't bear to see people let dogs lick their faces, particularly a child's face.

Dogs will rule the roost if you put them on a pedestal as they, not you,  will consider themselves the leader of the pack.  I had a neighbour who's pooch clamoured for attention all the time, yapping loudly whenever we tried to chat and then there are those with separation anxiety who howl and bark nonstop when their owners go out!  This has caused me big problems when we were trying to sell our house as people imagine that it happens all the time! The only slightly embarrassing habit I haven't been able to change in my dog unfortunately, is the interest he shows in sniffing at everyone's crutch or bottom whenever a newcomer calls, be they neighbour, Bible basher or anyone else he's never seen before, but then I suppose that would be asking too much of any self-respecting hound!

Ah sure he is only being friendly. Ha ha. I love dogs and was reared with them. True the dogs have to know who is boss. As to being a good neighbour. It's just that's how I want my neighbours to behave to me so I just respect everyone till I see a reason not to. 

A lot of people who own dogs don't walk them enough or at all. That's one of the reasons dogs can bark so much inside. Ours just sleep after a good walk. Not into dogs licking my face either or the dreaded sleeping on someone's bed.!!!!!! 

You sound very thoughtful too. I don't know why people find it so hard to think of others. It makes everyone's life so much easier. 

Melisa

Posted: Sun Jun 14, 2020 8:38pm

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Posted: Sun Jun 14, 2020 8:38pm

Have to agree with all you said, well done for speaking out and too many times I have seen people not picking up their dog shit, if I knew where they lived I would pick it up for them and leave it on their doorstep, see how they like it, most dog owners seem to think all people like their dogs, not so, and dogs in restaurants definitely not, we have had somebody dump two small dogs outside our property thinking we would take them in, they came every day with water and food for the dogs even though there was no shelter for them, every time we opened the gate the dogs came running in and were a nightmare to get them out, our property is fenced in and we have cats, keeps the rodents down, our builders finally had enough of evicting them every time they entered the gate to our land and took them far away never seen them since, if the people who left them cared about them they would have taken the effort to re-home them and not dumped them on us, their fate is unknown but only one was sighted weeks later far away, 

Captango7653

Posted: Sun Jun 14, 2020 9:24pm

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Thank you for your supportive message. I have a new fb group called Turre Matters and I would love to have you onboard. 

Last Friday my wife needed a few bits from the Chinese shop between Bougainvillea and Vera across from Vera Hotel. Two large British women came in after us, each with a dog on a lead. They squeezed past us while their dogs had a sniff at the two of us and went on merrily shopping. What got to me was the air of entitlement that these two oozed. While we were paying I asked the little Chinese lady as to why she allowed the two to bring in their dogs. She seemed very nervous and said that I should speak to her husband who wasn’t about. We got into our car and I said to my wife that I was going back in to have a word with the women. We went back in and found these two at the back of the shop where their dogs were sniffing clothing . I asked them if they thought that they were being reasonable by bringing in their dogs. They were incredulous! They asked me was it a problem, and was I the shop owner. I said that I wasn’t but that I was a customer and entitled to shop without being sniffed by their animals. Neither did I wish to smell them , pick up their fleas, endure their dander and aggravate the asthma that the two of us suffer from ,nor run any risk of being bitten. They said that it was too hot in the car for their pets so what were they to do? To which I responded as to why bring them out on a shopping trip? I then said that I thought that they were selfish, inconsiderate people who had no regard for others . I must have scared the crap out of them because the waddled off at a rate of knots to the checkout, paid for their purchase, hopped into their car and vanished. I would hope that the public at large would rebuke these Mutt nuts on every occasion that they bring their dogs where they don’t belong, until it becomes the norm that it is anti social.  

Sharon65

Posted: Sun Jun 14, 2020 10:25pm

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Captango7653 wrote on Sun Jun 14, 2020 9:24pm:

Thank you for your supportive message. I have a new fb group called Turre Matters and I would love to have you onboard. 

Last Friday my wife needed a few bits from the Chinese shop between Bougainvillea and Vera across from Vera Hotel. Two large British women came in after us, each with a dog on a lead. They squeezed past us while their dogs had a sniff at the two of us and went on merrily shopping. What got to me ...

...was the air of entitlement that these two oozed. While we were paying I asked the little Chinese lady as to why she allowed the two to bring in their dogs. She seemed very nervous and said that I should speak to her husband who wasn’t about. We got into our car and I said to my wife that I was going back in to have a word with the women. We went back in and found these two at the back of the shop where their dogs were sniffing clothing . I asked them if they thought that they were being reasonable by bringing in their dogs. They were incredulous! They asked me was it a problem, and was I the shop owner. I said that I wasn’t but that I was a customer and entitled to shop without being sniffed by their animals. Neither did I wish to smell them , pick up their fleas, endure their dander and aggravate the asthma that the two of us suffer from ,nor run any risk of being bitten. They said that it was too hot in the car for their pets so what were they to do? To which I responded as to why bring them out on a shopping trip? I then said that I thought that they were selfish, inconsiderate people who had no regard for others . I must have scared the crap out of them because the waddled off at a rate of knots to the checkout, paid for their purchase, hopped into their car and vanished. I would hope that the public at large would rebuke these Mutt nuts on every occasion that they bring their dogs where they don’t belong, until it becomes the norm that it is anti social.  

That was a ridiculous, ignorant way for the women to act. If it was too hot in the car, one should have remained outside in the shade with the dogs. It's not rocket science. 

Dogs should not be brought into shops. These things really annoy me cause normal people don't do this with  their dogs  !!!!!! 

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L181SKY

Posted: Mon Jun 15, 2020 9:47am

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Melisa wrote on Sun Jun 14, 2020 8:38pm:

Have to agree with all you said, well done for speaking out and too many times I have seen people not picking up their dog shit, if I knew where they lived I would pick it up for them and leave it on their doorstep, see how they like it, most dog owners seem to think all people like their dogs, n...

...ot so, and dogs in restaurants definitely not, we have had somebody dump two small dogs outside our property thinking we would take them in, they came every day with water and food for the dogs even though there was no shelter for them, every time we opened the gate the dogs came running in and were a nightmare to get them out, our property is fenced in and we have cats, keeps the rodents down, our builders finally had enough of evicting them every time they entered the gate to our land and took them far away never seen them since, if the people who left them cared about them they would have taken the effort to re-home them and not dumped them on us, their fate is unknown but only one was sighted weeks later far away, 

Couldn’t you have tied them up outside a rescue?

Mogsy2015

Posted: Mon Jun 15, 2020 12:08pm

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Hello.  I am replying because you have said the PAWS do not vet where their dogs are fostered or adopted.  This is untrue in my experience.  We have just been walking the kennels dogs for PAWS because they do need to retain human contact and need to be walked.  We always picked up the poop.  One of the dogs we walked we are  now fostering.  One of the ladies in charge came and vetted our house.  We live in a bungalow with a walled secure garden which she inspected. I offered her to check out the interior but this she declined.  We were in lockdown then so not easy to do.  we have plenty of space for our fostered dog who is quite big.  He does not bark nor cause trouble.  We have taken him into one of the bars in Turre where he was kept on the lead and was liked by a couple of people in the bar (one Spanish, one English).  We have lived in Turre permanently for almost 5 years.  We have come to this location on and off since 2004/5.  Our experience is that as much Spanish people let their dogs wander as do the Brits.  I agree we are immigrants and like to treat our adopted country with respect.  However, to gain respect you need to give it.  Your attitude maybe the cause of some of the "backlash" you have experienced.  I certainly do not like the "dazer" as you call it.  Dogs are sentient beings.  How would you like a loud noise in your ears if you upset someone?  We totally agree with your message regarding if you have a dog then you must look after it properly.  We have had 2 dogs in our past both of whom lived to their 15th year.  always treated them well and picked up after them.  We do not agree with letting a dog eat from the table if you are eating etc.  It is the people who need training and not the dogs as much, as they are doing what comes natural to them.  So, please do not treat all dog owners the same.  Some answers on here should tell you we are not.  Take care and I hope that your attitude mellows somewhat.  

 M.  

Captango7653

Posted: Mon Jun 15, 2020 12:52pm

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Mogsy2015 wrote on Mon Jun 15, 2020 12:08pm:

Hello.  I am replying because you have said the PAWS do not vet where their dogs are fostered or adopted.  This is untrue in my experience.  We have just been walking the kennels dogs for PAWS because they do need to retain human contact and need to be walked.  We always picke...

...d up the poop.  One of the dogs we walked we are  now fostering.  One of the ladies in charge came and vetted our house.  We live in a bungalow with a walled secure garden which she inspected. I offered her to check out the interior but this she declined.  We were in lockdown then so not easy to do.  we have plenty of space for our fostered dog who is quite big.  He does not bark nor cause trouble.  We have taken him into one of the bars in Turre where he was kept on the lead and was liked by a couple of people in the bar (one Spanish, one English).  We have lived in Turre permanently for almost 5 years.  We have come to this location on and off since 2004/5.  Our experience is that as much Spanish people let their dogs wander as do the Brits.  I agree we are immigrants and like to treat our adopted country with respect.  However, to gain respect you need to give it.  Your attitude maybe the cause of some of the "backlash" you have experienced.  I certainly do not like the "dazer" as you call it.  Dogs are sentient beings.  How would you like a loud noise in your ears if you upset someone?  We totally agree with your message regarding if you have a dog then you must look after it properly.  We have had 2 dogs in our past both of whom lived to their 15th year.  always treated them well and picked up after them.  We do not agree with letting a dog eat from the table if you are eating etc.  It is the people who need training and not the dogs as much, as they are doing what comes natural to them.  So, please do not treat all dog owners the same.  Some answers on here should tell you we are not.  Take care and I hope that your attitude mellows somewhat.  

 M.  

The amount of dogs living in Turre is now become ridiculous. I am not sure that you are speaking on behalf of PAWS or not, but if you are, then don’t you think that enough is enough? As regards me relating to my acquaintance who had 6 foster pups , large Dalmatians, given to her without anyone vetting her home, are you saying that she made all of that up? In the local ‘freebie ‘ magazine for this general area, which is published generally for a readership of British people, there are four listings for animal welfare, and one for Macs Cancer Support, a ratio of 4:1 animals to humans! I think you will agree that there is something rather sick with the mentality of anyone who would find that normal. 

I have interests, hobbies, passions, but none of them will impact your life, your home, your quality of living. My interests will never be in your face. No one needs to keep a dog. The animal is clever enough to have realized ‘just wag my tail and these idiots will feed me’! Why aren’t you concerned about the vixen with her cubs? Or the wild boar? They fend for themselves in the wild like dogs should be doing as well. People who are incapable of relating to other people (because other humans are more demanding than a dog) , usually are the most enthusiastic dog ‘parents ‘. I found people like these the most abusive when there is a hint of any threat to them indulging in their silly passion. Selfish, inconsiderate and anti social. 

You cannot house every single stray in someone’s home, humans come before animals . I will speak up regardless of threats and abuse because this has to find a reasonable level... it is growing out of control. 

Captango7653

Posted: Mon Jun 15, 2020 1:04pm

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Captango7653 wrote on Mon Jun 15, 2020 12:52pm:

The amount of dogs living in Turre is now become ridiculous. I am not sure that you are speaking on behalf of PAWS or not, but if you are, then don’t you think that enough is enough? As regards me relating to my acquaintance who had 6 foster pups , large Dalmatians, given to her without anyone ...

...vetting her home, are you saying that she made all of that up? In the local ‘freebie ‘ magazine for this general area, which is published generally for a readership of British people, there are four listings for animal welfare, and one for Macs Cancer Support, a ratio of 4:1 animals to humans! I think you will agree that there is something rather sick with the mentality of anyone who would find that normal. 

I have interests, hobbies, passions, but none of them will impact your life, your home, your quality of living. My interests will never be in your face. No one needs to keep a dog. The animal is clever enough to have realized ‘just wag my tail and these idiots will feed me’! Why aren’t you concerned about the vixen with her cubs? Or the wild boar? They fend for themselves in the wild like dogs should be doing as well. People who are incapable of relating to other people (because other humans are more demanding than a dog) , usually are the most enthusiastic dog ‘parents ‘. I found people like these the most abusive when there is a hint of any threat to them indulging in their silly passion. Selfish, inconsiderate and anti social. 

You cannot house every single stray in someone’s home, humans come before animals . I will speak up regardless of threats and abuse because this has to find a reasonable level... it is growing out of control. 

A continuation to my reply to Mogsy2915..

As regards to your horror about my dazer, you seem to advance the notion that dogs have ‘rights’ !! They can continue being sensitive to the hearing, as long as I don’t have to trip over them , smell them, hear them, have my asthma triggered by them or risk being bitten in a public place like a restaurant just to appease the fetish of some inconsiderate person. If you make my life a misery, I’ll surely do the same to you. I hope the ownership of dazers becomes the norm, and that, like smoking, dog ownership becomes an anti social activity, which it is especially in urban areas. 

Matthew

Posted: Mon Jun 15, 2020 1:25pm

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Mogsy2015 wrote on Mon Jun 15, 2020 12:08pm:

Hello.  I am replying because you have said the PAWS do not vet where their dogs are fostered or adopted.  This is untrue in my experience.  We have just been walking the kennels dogs for PAWS because they do need to retain human contact and need to be walked.  We always picke...

...d up the poop.  One of the dogs we walked we are  now fostering.  One of the ladies in charge came and vetted our house.  We live in a bungalow with a walled secure garden which she inspected. I offered her to check out the interior but this she declined.  We were in lockdown then so not easy to do.  we have plenty of space for our fostered dog who is quite big.  He does not bark nor cause trouble.  We have taken him into one of the bars in Turre where he was kept on the lead and was liked by a couple of people in the bar (one Spanish, one English).  We have lived in Turre permanently for almost 5 years.  We have come to this location on and off since 2004/5.  Our experience is that as much Spanish people let their dogs wander as do the Brits.  I agree we are immigrants and like to treat our adopted country with respect.  However, to gain respect you need to give it.  Your attitude maybe the cause of some of the "backlash" you have experienced.  I certainly do not like the "dazer" as you call it.  Dogs are sentient beings.  How would you like a loud noise in your ears if you upset someone?  We totally agree with your message regarding if you have a dog then you must look after it properly.  We have had 2 dogs in our past both of whom lived to their 15th year.  always treated them well and picked up after them.  We do not agree with letting a dog eat from the table if you are eating etc.  It is the people who need training and not the dogs as much, as they are doing what comes natural to them.  So, please do not treat all dog owners the same.  Some answers on here should tell you we are not.  Take care and I hope that your attitude mellows somewhat.  

 M.  

A nice post from Mogsy and I agree with much of it. But,seriously! Do you think bringing a dog (with exceptions for dogs for the blind) into a bar is healthy? You don't know that the two customers wanted the dogs there; you presumed this and if you met me you'd probably presume the same as I am usually silent on such occasions. I do not think having dogs in restaurants or bars is healthy for anybody. I wish some dog owners would realise this. 

I love dogs, they have their place. If one of my dogs was drowning in a sea current opposite Pueblo Indalo Hotel and my worst human enemy was drowning there simultaneously, my instinct would be to try and save my worst enemy before even thinking of the dog.

I was in northern Italy some time ago where exercising dogs without leads was outlawed and laws were enforced by the local police. An extensive fenced off area was provided for the off lead exercising of dogs, but the maintenance of this was left entirely to the people who exercised their dogs there. If dog poo was found there the fenced off area would be closed immediately by the police. Usually, it took a deputation from the local dog owners to have it reopened. Needless to say, I hear it is now self policed by the dog owners.

I think it is now time for the responsible dog owners everywhere to challenge those irresponsible dog owners. I wish them the best of luck because they'll need it. Facing a firing squad of DIMWITS where the instructions are Ready, Fire, Aim! ain't good for one's health.

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