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Irresponsible Dog Owners In Turre

Posted: Wed Jun 10, 2020 11:58pm
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Captango7653

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Hello everyone. I am a retired person, non British but English speaking. I retired here two years ago in Turre, but I am very familiar with the area because I have owned a place in Vera Playa for many years and have been back and forth, all the while looking forward to retirement to live my Spanish dream . Unfortunately my retirement coincided with falling ill, and to cut a long story short, I am under the care of oncology In Torrecárdenas. We chose Turre to live,  rather than use my apartment in Vera Playa, because it is a real town with real people. I have the most amazing neighbors and it helps that I can converse with them in Spanish. I certainly do not wish to depend on ,what I describe, an English speaking ghetto. 

That is my background, so I’ll get to the point. Turre is overpopulated by dogs. They are everywhere. I have never minded dogs and have had a dog here and there during my life. I even considered adopting a little dog here in retirement, however, after settling in, we decided against it. We live in a spacious apartment, but no apartment is suitable to keeping a dog. It is unfair to the animal and totally inconsiderate of your neighbors. In fact, what I have experienced here, can only be described as anti social. There is a cacophony of dogs barking where I live... one starts and they all start. 

The streets are covered in dog shite. I suffer from respiratory issues and use a mobility scooter and have become adept to steering around the turds. It is everywhere. When I posted in a local Turre Facebook group that I joined, I was attacked and very shrilly abused by a section of people who I can only describe as a dog worshipping cult. Most of them are British ‘expats’ (I disapprove of the expression, they are immigrants). Anyone who has any concerns about this matter is quickly called an animal hater. And as soon as I would try to post an answer to these lunatics, the administrator of the group, a lady who is Turre’s answer to Hyacinth Bucket, would delete the thread, leaving the cult members having the last word. In the past couple of days she has blocked me from the group completely.

My concern is this. These dog worshippers, in the forum are picking up strays and then placing them into people’s homes. Most dwellings in Turre are apartments or terraced buildings! They even fight each other over doing ‘rescues’. They wish to rehouse strays anywhere they can and have said that they do not care about the effects on humans. 

I have witnessed the following,

People not picking up when their dog shits.

People allowing the animal to run free with no lead.

People bringing their dogs into restaurants in Turre , kissing them, and allowing them to eat off the plates (which you or I might be served a meal on later).

People congratulating and backslapping a stupid couple for housing two strays and their 8 pups into their motor home. Then attacking the mayor of Turre in the already mentioned fb group, and threatening to have him voted out come the next elections because these two thicks  who were illegally parked, were moved on by the authorities. I say, well done Mr, Mayor, 

Sending a fb message to a Spanish person, who had a trailer for his hunting dogs which did not meet approval of these ‘Mutt nuts’, threatening him, and then discussing how to sabotage his trailer! 

I would like a form a group of people who would like to see Dog Owners indulge in their hobby in a responsible manner which causes no grief to the general public  .This is what  I would hope our group to achieve..

Make  representations to our ayuntamiento in a civilized manner and urge them to implement the laws concerning dogs on leads , picking up shit, bringing them into places where they are prohibited (like the main plaza in Turre). Hopefully the ayuntamiento can apply dog control laws with zero tolerance. Maybe we can help by recording and reporting the violators  if the authorities agree. 

Approach restaurant and bar owners and request them to not allow dogs in their restaurants, indoor or outdoor, in their premises and to propagate ‘dog free dining’ (The exception being service dogs for the blind etc) 

Approach PAWS and request them to vet any potential ‘adoptive ‘ or ‘foster ‘ people, and not to place any animal with anyone who is not in a house with its own garden independent from others . (Recently PAWS gave one of my neighbors 6 boisterous pups to foster. The couple live in an apartment and when I asked them if PAWS had enquired as to their accommodation, the replied that they had not and that PAWS did not care about neighbors etc once the dogs were ok... they were the only thing that mattered)! ... and neither did PAWS care that my neighbors needed to have a kennel license when they had more than five dogs!

To monitor these self appointed rescue people (some of whom are operating illegally and have been embroiled in investigation by the authorities). The SEPRONA would be interested to know about any idiot that had more than five animals in their home without a proper registration as a kennel. 

This cult consists of very aggressive and abusive people, they are bullies and need to be stood up to.  If you would support my points, please send me private messages. 

Matthew

Posted: Thu Jun 11, 2020 7:45am

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Well written, apt and while most will agree 100% very little will happen to alleviate concerns. The easy option is to keep one's head down and say nothing. I think I know how you feel Captango and I don't mean to belittle your concerns in any way. I got sucked into a facebook exchange regarding feral cats in Mojacar Playa some time ago and the Demented Inglaterrian Maidens Without Intelligence Thicks (DIMWIT in short) made me feel that a "mechanic" was on his way from Detroit to sort me out. 

Nobody will stand up to these bullies and I understand that they can legally bring their dogs onto the terrace area of any bar/restaurant. Open your mouth to the waiting staff and you're condemned to disfavour for eternity. I have witnessed an almost serious incident on a terrace last year when a child on his way to the toilet accidentally stepped on the paw of a large dog. The dog barked threateningly but somehow did not attack. The incident looked dangerous to say the least. The child in fear was crying and the parents were berated by a member of the waiting staff. Their stay in the restaurant was uncomfortable; the child's fear grew. My group saw clearly what happened and informed the staff member accordingly. We did our best to placate the child and his parents. They paid their bill and left shortly after with terrified looks on their faces.

The staff member (I'm repeating nouns so that the person is not identified) addressed the remaining people in the restaurant about gentleness of the dog and the "stupid child" etc.  The  staff member then cuddled and kissed the dog and continued to wait on tables without even washing hands. The same person then delivered our main course. We could take no more, we rose, left and informed the staff member we were not paying on which we were "scorned" off the premises. If the same thing happened today, I'd do the same thing. There is no point in complaining to the restaurant owner, the waiting staff or to anybody, just leave without paying and I bet sooner or later your point will be made.

Captango7653

Posted: Thu Jun 11, 2020 11:45am

Captango7653

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Posted: Thu Jun 11, 2020 11:45am

Hi Matthew, Thank you for your supportive post. I do agree that keeping your gob shut is the easy option, but there again, some wise man once said, ‘tyranny prevails when just men remain silent ‘ or words to that effect. 

I have no problem about speaking up against these ‘Mutt nuts’ & the shite furballs that they inflict on us, because there is nothing that I need from them, other than their absence. 

While the law might permit the restaurant owners the prerogative to allow animals on the outside areas; there is no indoor dining allowed as we speak ,so why should we be forced to eat with dogs? They should ban dogs until indoor dining is allowed. 

Remedies. 

While I still hope that a few sensible, educated people will join me to make representation, I hope that people like yourself, who are subjected to their ridiculous fetish, but remain silent, are reading this. I have invested in a marvelous gadget called a ‘dog dazer’ (as pictured). It emits a high frequency sound which is inaudible to the human ear but drives the shite machines mad. There is a woman down the road who simply lets her dog out to walk itself. The dog normally squats outside my front gate and drops it’s load. The day the courier delivered my dazer from Amazon, I had just unpacked it when this dog appeared at my gate with his hole primed for action! I zapped the bastard and he took off like a bat out of hell with the turd half hanging from his arse, hopefully, to be dropped somewhere in his owner’s home. I would love if people would arm themselves with a dog dazer and very silently torment dog owners who bring their dogs where they should never be. Can you picture having one the day the dog went for the child where you and your company were trying to have a pleasant meal? I know that I will carry mine always and when I am in a restaurant, terrace or not I will zap their dogs who will whine and whelp and do their best to get away giving the owner no comfort. ie ‘you make me uncomfortable and I’ll do the same to you’. 

In my last post I mentioned the abusive comments made to me, in response to my posts, mostly, I assume from low lives. That didn’t surprise me, as they say ‘you get nothing from a pig but a grunt’ There was one whose manner in writing suggested he was somewhat educated. He said that his dog had worked for HM customs in the UK and had sniffed out much drugs and thus prevented its entry into the UK. Therefore it had earned the right to come and sit in a restaurant!! Ms. Bucket, the administrator, stopped the thread before I could answer him. I hope he reads this post here. If his dog served Her Majesty then maybe she should award it an MBE or even a knighthood as morons like him get orgasmic about ‘honours’ such as these, however, fortunately, I don’t come from Brexitstan, so it did me no service, and even if it did, it is still a dog and I have no wish to eat beside Sir Fido. 

There are people in Turre who I hope read this. I view their posts every day. Many of them boast about having nine dogs in their house, especially one headbanger who works in a veterinary clinic. I am compiling all this information and I WILL bring it to the Sepronas attention on the basis that they have more than five dogs without a kennel license. And I intend to invest in a smelly pig and a harness for it. Every time I see a dog Nut with his animal in a restaurant, I will exercise my right to bring my pet and sit beside him ! 

Matthew

Posted: Thu Jun 11, 2020 12:21pm

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Posted: Thu Jun 11, 2020 12:21pm

I have never heard of a "dog dazer" and I don't see myself buying one. I understand it is necessary for you to have one. But, I wouldn't go around waving it like a gunslinger would twirl his six-gun in a Clint Eastwood western. I'm not saying you do this. If you have one the tendency would be to use it. 

There must be a happy medium somewhere. We have two dogs (or should I say my wife has two dogs) but I recognise that not everybody wants a dog near them. I understand the need to be in full control of the dogs when we walk them for their daily exercise  (we keep them on a lead). We don't leave the dogs near us when we are eating, neither do we allow them beyond our indoor utility area. We have fenced off our back garden with meshed wire that will not damage the animals. They have plenty of space for their play. 

The bottom line is dogs are not humans and after little training they know their place. The quotation you are looking for is "All it takes for evil to prosper is for good men to remain silent" - Edmund Burke (his statue is outside Trinity College, Dublin). 

I have handed out small disposable plastic bags to dog walkers on the Paséo in Mojacar Playa (i.e to those who allow their animals to drop their mortars and fail to clean up). I've tried to be friendly with some dog owners. We don't bring our own dogs (Winston and Adolf) to Mojacar but occasionally we walk a dog of one of our Mojacar neighbours. We try to lead by example and most people behave responsibly when walking their dogs, but then there are some . . . and they just don't want to listen. I have no solution to this and at this moment I don't have confidence in the ayuntamiento to do anything positive. 

It is important to point out that all irresponsible dog owners are not from the UK. Other nationals have irresponsible dog owners too.

Captango7653

Posted: Thu Jun 11, 2020 1:35pm

Captango7653

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Posted: Thu Jun 11, 2020 1:35pm

Yes, but they are the very worst. The Spanish are in their own country, but the British are criticizing the Spanish as to their attitudes towards animals, which Is rich,considering they have an appalling  record as to their treatment ifhumans, hence my reaction of not wanting to cut them an inch of slack. I have no problem with a responsible dog owner like you,  just those freaks.

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Posted: Thu Jun 11, 2020 2:35pm

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Posted: Thu Jun 11, 2020 2:35pm

Captango7653 wrote on Thu Jun 11, 2020 1:35pm:

Yes, but they are the very worst. The Spanish are in their own country, but the British are criticizing the Spanish as to their attitudes towards animals, which Is rich,considering they have an appalling  record as to their treatment ifhumans, hence my reaction of not wanting to cut them an ...

...inch of slack. I have no problem with a responsible dog owner like you,  just those freaks.

I for one will be buying a "dog dazer".  I live near a piece of land in mojacar that is used daily by dog walkers which is fine, but I dont agree when they let the dogs off the lead and they crap outside the apartment entrance  and dont pick it up.  

Matthew

Posted: Thu Jun 11, 2020 2:53pm

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Posted: Thu Jun 11, 2020 2:53pm

I just had a look on the internet on Dog Dazers. I think I got my description of them wrong in my post above. They seem harmless to dogs but effective in keeping dogs at a distance to the person holding the Dazer.

Captango7653

Posted: Thu Jun 11, 2020 4:17pm

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Posted: Thu Jun 11, 2020 4:17pm

Matthew wrote on Thu Jun 11, 2020 2:53pm:

I just had a look on the internet on Dog Dazers. I think I got my description of them wrong in my post above. They seem harmless to dogs but effective in keeping dogs at a distance to the person holding the Dazer.

When I have dazed the dogs , no one hears anything, but the dogs gets jittery and keeps pulling on his chain to get away from the area. The owner doesn’t know what’s happening and why his ‘Fur baby’ is misbehaving. All in all it’s not nice for him, which is satisfying as his pint or meal or whatever is disturbed, and he has to leave. Good enough for him says I. No physical damage is done to the dog. 

I hear that the Chinese are working on a ‘crap cannon’, it is similar to the dazer except when aimed at someone’s midriff area, he shits himself immediately and has to leave with a scuttery arse!  I will definitely order one the minute they are available 😊

Sharon65

Posted: Fri Jun 12, 2020 9:32am

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Captango7653 wrote on Wed Jun 10, 2020 11:58pm:

Hello everyone. I am a retired person, non British but English speaking. I retired here two years ago in Turre, but I am very familiar with the area because I have owned a place in Vera Playa for many years and have been back and forth, all the while looking forward to retirement to live my Spani...

...sh dream . Unfortunately my retirement coincided with falling ill, and to cut a long story short, I am under the care of oncology In Torrecárdenas. We chose Turre to live,  rather than use my apartment in Vera Playa, because it is a real town with real people. I have the most amazing neighbors and it helps that I can converse with them in Spanish. I certainly do not wish to depend on ,what I describe, an English speaking ghetto. 

That is my background, so I’ll get to the point. Turre is overpopulated by dogs. They are everywhere. I have never minded dogs and have had a dog here and there during my life. I even considered adopting a little dog here in retirement, however, after settling in, we decided against it. We live in a spacious apartment, but no apartment is suitable to keeping a dog. It is unfair to the animal and totally inconsiderate of your neighbors. In fact, what I have experienced here, can only be described as anti social. There is a cacophony of dogs barking where I live... one starts and they all start. 

The streets are covered in dog shite. I suffer from respiratory issues and use a mobility scooter and have become adept to steering around the turds. It is everywhere. When I posted in a local Turre Facebook group that I joined, I was attacked and very shrilly abused by a section of people who I can only describe as a dog worshipping cult. Most of them are British ‘expats’ (I disapprove of the expression, they are immigrants). Anyone who has any concerns about this matter is quickly called an animal hater. And as soon as I would try to post an answer to these lunatics, the administrator of the group, a lady who is Turre’s answer to Hyacinth Bucket, would delete the thread, leaving the cult members having the last word. In the past couple of days she has blocked me from the group completely.

My concern is this. These dog worshippers, in the forum are picking up strays and then placing them into people’s homes. Most dwellings in Turre are apartments or terraced buildings! They even fight each other over doing ‘rescues’. They wish to rehouse strays anywhere they can and have said that they do not care about the effects on humans. 

I have witnessed the following,

People not picking up when their dog shits.

People allowing the animal to run free with no lead.

People bringing their dogs into restaurants in Turre , kissing them, and allowing them to eat off the plates (which you or I might be served a meal on later).

People congratulating and backslapping a stupid couple for housing two strays and their 8 pups into their motor home. Then attacking the mayor of Turre in the already mentioned fb group, and threatening to have him voted out come the next elections because these two thicks  who were illegally parked, were moved on by the authorities. I say, well done Mr, Mayor, 

Sending a fb message to a Spanish person, who had a trailer for his hunting dogs which did not meet approval of these ‘Mutt nuts’, threatening him, and then discussing how to sabotage his trailer! 

I would like a form a group of people who would like to see Dog Owners indulge in their hobby in a responsible manner which causes no grief to the general public  .This is what  I would hope our group to achieve..

Make  representations to our ayuntamiento in a civilized manner and urge them to implement the laws concerning dogs on leads , picking up shit, bringing them into places where they are prohibited (like the main plaza in Turre). Hopefully the ayuntamiento can apply dog control laws with zero tolerance. Maybe we can help by recording and reporting the violators  if the authorities agree. 

Approach restaurant and bar owners and request them to not allow dogs in their restaurants, indoor or outdoor, in their premises and to propagate ‘dog free dining’ (The exception being service dogs for the blind etc) 

Approach PAWS and request them to vet any potential ‘adoptive ‘ or ‘foster ‘ people, and not to place any animal with anyone who is not in a house with its own garden independent from others . (Recently PAWS gave one of my neighbors 6 boisterous pups to foster. The couple live in an apartment and when I asked them if PAWS had enquired as to their accommodation, the replied that they had not and that PAWS did not care about neighbors etc once the dogs were ok... they were the only thing that mattered)! ... and neither did PAWS care that my neighbors needed to have a kennel license when they had more than five dogs!

To monitor these self appointed rescue people (some of whom are operating illegally and have been embroiled in investigation by the authorities). The SEPRONA would be interested to know about any idiot that had more than five animals in their home without a proper registration as a kennel. 

This cult consists of very aggressive and abusive people, they are bullies and need to be stood up to.  If you would support my points, please send me private messages. 

Hi 

As a dog lover and owner, I think the key words here are Responsible Dog Owners. We have owned dogs for years. Previously we lived in a large country house in another area. Now we live in an apartment. So obviously we did not intend to get rid of our dogs. We walk our two dogs every morning at 7 am. Then obviously we take them out when needed. Our dogs do not crap on pavement or any concrete or tiles ( Yes you can train your dog not to). 

We carry bags everywhere as a result I often find them in my handbag, cause we carry so many. 

I totally agree owners should clean up after their dogs, dogs should not crap on footpaths. Under no circumstances should a dog be anywhere near a table or use a human dish ever. 

They should not go into restaurants however if we have been for a walk, it's nice to call into a bar with an outside terrace and sit there for a little while. Our dogs are tied up beside us as far away from other people as possible. They don't bark at dogs or people. They don't ever bark at anyone out walking, they don't fight, they don't annoy people. We have trained them like that. Everywhere we go people complement us on their good behaviour. In our complex, I have asked both our nearest neighbours, have the dogs disturbed them  Our neighbours are Spanish and we get on well with them. They have said No.

Any dog that is rehomed, the home should be inspected first. Also people should not have a large amount of dogs in any home. 

I respect where you are coming from but we are not all bad. I think people who don't care generally are like that about everything in their life. 

Respect is such a simple thing. 

Hope you get sorted and get those people to clean up or ship out. 

Liz1953

Posted: Fri Jun 12, 2020 9:59am

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Posted: Fri Jun 12, 2020 9:59am

This should be noted in all villages of the Almeria region. 

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