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DarioMartin

Posted: Fri Jun 26, 2020 10:12am

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Posted: Fri Jun 26, 2020 10:12am

Andy56 wrote on Fri Jun 26, 2020 9:55am:

What a strange argument that is! I would have thought the fact so many Brits have applied for Irish passports makes my point- ie that there is a huge benefit to having a European passport. My grandmother was a Scot and I’m hoping they leave the UK and join Europe. That way I can get my European...

... passport 😂😂😂

Are you following the court challenge that contests EU Citizenship cannot be stripped because of Brexit?  Bit more complex than that but a very interesting challenge.

If successful it would mean that Brits (who choose) can remain EU Citizens.  For practical purposes, that probably won’t see a restoration of freedom of movement, but may be other benefits.

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Posted: Fri Jun 26, 2020 10:14am

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Posted: Fri Jun 26, 2020 10:14am

Matthew wrote on Fri Jun 26, 2020 10:07am:

Andy56, What's all this "us Brits" business - aren't you joining the Great Emerald Brotherhood?

I realise you’re from the Emerald Isles But I thought all the temper from from a fight amongst Brits or at least about Britain. You can sit and smugly smile knowing your government have the good sense to stay part of Europe! 

Matthew

Posted: Fri Jun 26, 2020 10:24am

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Posted: Fri Jun 26, 2020 10:24am

Andy56, you're good for my health and putting me in good form. One thing about Paddy-the-Irishman is that he knows which side of his bread is buttered.  We need the EU more than they need us. 

. . . . . although they could ask us to drive on the wrong side of the road shortly!

Andy56

Posted: Fri Jun 26, 2020 10:47am

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DarioMartin wrote on Thu Jun 25, 2020 11:01pm:

I don’t dislike Brits, I dislike ultra nationalists who pontificate about the glory days of Empire and how UK will once again be “great” and doesn’t need Europe, because the EU is an unelected body that steals from and rapes Britain and other such patent nonsense. etc etc etc 

I dislike those so blinded by the Union Jack, they make up stories to justify their positions and see England as the savior of the world, neatly forgetting that during the wars, without allied help, Britain’s war effort would probably have ended sooner - and with somewhat different result....

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In much the same way as I feel antipathy for the Spanish Vox supporters who see “Spain for the Spanish only”, neatly forgetting Spain’s own chequered history of forced religious conversion and mistreatment of both Jews and Muslims.

I dislike the German nationalists who would see a return of the Fourth Reich, and French Nationalists who want to tear France apart to “make it great again” - doubtless Italian Nationalists too. 

You’ll see a common theme here.  Nationalists.  As Matthew said, you are entitled to be proud of your country, but the problem for me comes when pride turns to blindness to its faults and a desire to see other nations / projects fail.  UK has left the EU. Goodo.  There’s now no need, except for unreasoning and wholly uneducated hatred to desire the breaking apart of the European project.  You are now separate from it (and this is NOT aimed at you Andymac, so please don’t take it personally) so why care what it does and how it goes about it’s business? It is definitely a cheek to be English, desire Brexit, then live in Europe and desire its breakup.  It’s. Not. Your. Country. People.  Live here, fine, but then live within the structure that exists.

How would you feel if a Spaniard moved to England, took residency then started motivating for the breakup of the United Kingdom?  Justifiably pissed off is my guess.

I am integrating here, I own a business with a 99% Spanish customer base, my customers don’t speak English, we are members of the Moros y Cristianos Asociación Cultural de Vera etc etc.  I consider myself an EU Citizen and look forward to the successful court challenge that says such citizenship cannot be taken away simply because of Brexit.

What irks me most though, about those who look back on the “glory days” when UK was “better off without Europe” is that they have heavily rose tinted glasses and notoriously short memories and completely fail to recognise that the global conditions that gave Britain it’s pre-EU “Glory” have completely changed, making such a return to those halcyon days (if they ever actually existed!!) utterly impossible.  And that’s the biggest problem with Nationalism, it narrows your view and prevents you seeing anything outside that narrowed, blinkered “Britain is great” view.

The world has changed and Britain will one day realise you can’t turn back the clock, only go forward in unity or become small and irrelevant.

Well said. 

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Posted: Fri Jun 26, 2020 11:28am

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Posted: Fri Jun 26, 2020 11:28am

Yes Mathew you do, did Irish farmers get a dispensation for increased subsidies on beef production, the majority of which is shipped to UK undercutting UK formers, so much for a level playing field. Interesting point, uk will not install a border between Northern Ireland and Ireland, will the EU?

James

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Andy56

Posted: Fri Jun 26, 2020 11:39am

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Posted: Fri Jun 26, 2020 11:39am

Andymac1951 wrote on Thu Jun 25, 2020 8:40pm:

What an arse, do some damned research yourself

I’m an arse? The Daily Express is a disgrace. The paper has an editorial philosophy designed to discredit everything European. Virtually every day there is some unsubstantiated rubbish about Europe as it continues its campaign to brain wash its readers! The best use for the Express is to use it to wipe the afore mentioned. 

Ian 77

Posted: Fri Jun 26, 2020 11:43am

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Posted: Fri Jun 26, 2020 11:43am

No one needs to read papers to see the EU does not work common sense is all that is required ... all politicians talk shite .. no one listens much to them either it’s about opinions you have one so does everyone else. Best leave it at that 

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Posted: Fri Jun 26, 2020 11:46am

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Posted: Fri Jun 26, 2020 11:46am

Andymac1951 wrote on Thu Jun 25, 2020 8:45pm:

It has nought to do with ones choice of a newspaper, do some damned research and see just how much Europe has cost the U.K., both financial and in terms of lives lost, over the past 100 years before you and other slag the country off or are you simply an awful ingrate with a very short memory?

You are exceptionally rude. If you can’t take the debate why read it? And btw of course the paper you read will influence your beliefs! 

Matthew

Posted: Fri Jun 26, 2020 11:54am

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Posted: Fri Jun 26, 2020 11:54am

jtp890 wrote on Fri Jun 26, 2020 11:28am:

Yes Mathew you do, did Irish farmers get a dispensation for increased subsidies on beef production, the majority of which is shipped to UK undercutting UK formers, so much for a level playing field. Interesting point, uk will not install a border between Northern Ireland and Ireland, will the EU?

James...

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Great! And the more the better. Of course, we export our produce to the UK. It's good stuff and there is a demand for it there. Long may it last. Are you saying we shouldn't be exporting to the UK? (I know, of course not, I'm being my usual self). Looking forward to meeting you on the terrace for a decent pint, no 'alfs and leave the Panama at home).

DarioMartin

Posted: Fri Jun 26, 2020 12:00pm

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Posted: Fri Jun 26, 2020 12:00pm

jtp890 wrote on Fri Jun 26, 2020 11:28am:

Yes Mathew you do, did Irish farmers get a dispensation for increased subsidies on beef production, the majority of which is shipped to UK undercutting UK formers, so much for a level playing field. Interesting point, uk will not install a border between Northern Ireland and Ireland, will the EU?

James...

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The Good Friday agreement would prevent UK setting up a border between Ireland and Northern Ireland, likewise the EU is committed to that agreement - it doesn’t stop UK setting up the “virtual” border in the Irish Sea, though - you know, the one they said would never happen and have now quietly admitted is happening?

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