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Geordiemark

Posted: Mon Apr 25, 2022 12:38pm

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Posted: Mon Apr 25, 2022 12:38pm

Bob2003 wrote on Mon Apr 25, 2022 12:22pm:

A word of warning. Dont know the specifics of the law in spain or companies involved.

However in UK if looking for a morgage , " Are there Solar panels " is one of the first questions asked,

I believe many of the agreements  to supply into the grid are long term and this frightens mortgage lenders.

Not against them  BUT be aware. If looks too good to be true it probably is!

I think the issues for mortgage lenders in the UK are more influenced by how the solar panel installations are financed. In the UK the deal is the homeowner "rents out" the roof space for the panels in return for free installation and a certain amount of free power. They only own it after many years. That's what can cause problems for the mortgage provider.

If the installation is fully paid for and owned along with the property then there won't be any issues.

Jb1951

Posted: Mon Apr 25, 2022 1:47pm

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Posted: Mon Apr 25, 2022 1:47pm

Bob2003 wrote on Mon Apr 25, 2022 12:22pm:

A word of warning. Dont know the specifics of the law in spain or companies involved.

However in UK if looking for a morgage , " Are there Solar panels " is one of the first questions asked,

I believe many of the agreements  to supply into the grid are long term and this frightens mortgage lenders.

Not against them  BUT be aware. If looks too good to be true it probably is!

Ok thanks for your input.

Jimh

Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2022 10:41am

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Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2022 10:41am

We are thinking about solar panels when we move into our house in September as we have a first floor roof available that is south facing and there is storage in the roof. We don't want to feed the grid, we would like the storage battery  system (not lead batteries). It is a large house (230 sq Metres) so we would need at least 12 panels. Any idea of the sort of price we are looking at? We also heard that the grant was available to home owners irrespective of their residency status, can anyone confirm if the grant is only for residents>

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Geordiemark

Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2022 11:03am

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Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2022 11:03am

Jimh wrote on Wed Apr 27, 2022 10:41am:

We are thinking about solar panels when we move into our house in September as we have a first floor roof available that is south facing and there is storage in the roof. We don't want to feed the grid, we would like the storage battery  system (not lead batteries). It is a large house (230 ...

...sq Metres) so we would need at least 12 panels. Any idea of the sort of price we are looking at? We also heard that the grant was available to home owners irrespective of their residency status, can anyone confirm if the grant is only for residents>

Thanks

From my research and the options presented to me.

I'd say 12 panels would be light for an off grid system, Probably fine in the summer months, but a few days of dull weather in the winter will deplete your battery reserve. I think you'd have to stay grid tied for a back up.

Lead acid is very old tech.Lion are much more efficient and lighter. But you're still looking at a considerable bank of batteries and they aren't cheap.

For an off grid system on a property the size you say you're probably looking at as many as 20 panels and at least 5kwh of battery storage. 

Don't expect any change for 12,000 euro and more likely 15,000

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Jimh

Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2022 12:06pm

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Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2022 12:06pm

Geordiemark wrote on Wed Apr 27, 2022 11:03am:

From my research and the options presented to me.

I'd say 12 panels would be light for an off grid system, Probably fine in the summer months, but a few days of dull weather in the winter will deplete your battery reserve. I think you'd have to stay grid tied for a back up.

Lead acid is very old tech.Lion are much more efficient and lighter. But you're still looking at a considerable bank of batteries and they aren't cheap.

For an off grid system on a property the size you say you're probably looking at as many as 20 panels and at least 5kwh of battery storage. 

Don't expect any change for 12,000 euro and more likely 15,000

I don't want off grid, I just want to have storage so I can use it at night but I am not interested in supplying the grid as I have heard it is more bother than it is worth. I said I wouldn't have lead batteries Lion batteries were what I would require. There are only two of us in the house most of the time with our three dogs so our usage wouldn't be high but I would run the pool cleaner/filters at night. I only want to use the grid when I have to, when the place is full or if we have a period of bad weather

Geordiemark

Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2022 12:49pm

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Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2022 12:49pm

Jimh wrote on Wed Apr 27, 2022 12:06pm:

I don't want off grid, I just want to have storage so I can use it at night but I am not interested in supplying the grid as I have heard it is more bother than it is worth. I said I wouldn't have lead batteries Lion batteries were what I would require. There are only two of us in the house most ...

...of the time with our three dogs so our usage wouldn't be high but I would run the pool cleaner/filters at night. I only want to use the grid when I have to, when the place is full or if we have a period of bad weather

Ok, sorry if my reply didn’t give you exactly what you wanted, I gave an opinion on the very limited information you supplied  

I can’t for the life of me why you’d want to spend 5k plus on batteries just to avoid the grid tie in. Yes, the buy back tariff is very low, but any credit could be used when you do draw from the grid. With only 12 panels,on a property of that size you will struggle out of the summer months. 

But good luck in your search. I’d call out a couple of companies to get their take on it. 

Shay123

Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2022 5:43pm

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Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2022 5:43pm

Hello,

The solar electric schemes are full of simple things but it makes them complicated for the reasons stated here already and more.

The payback is individually costed. If you are a low user already then it takes longer. There are however many good things to gain from having a system before paying back qualifies as the only marker. If you are worried about the ability to pay bills you can have more heat / cooling than you would normally have and then there are environmental and political advantages too?

When I was pricing up you could reckon on 1000 euros per kW generated but there were some big variations on that. Most rated my single occupancy, low usage apartment as 3,4kW systems (fairly standard) - don't go by panels as you do not know what size panels are or their generational output rating - originally quoted as 3.400 euros. As well as local suppliers there are national ones too, including IKEA. My experience with Spanish companies was that they were quick to respond but useless when it came to asking questions and getting quotes. They were also vague about when it might happen -typical lack of business sense here. Especially as I had stated I was a cash buyer.

The companies that supply grid power vary enormously in their feed back rates....More sPAIN? :)

Grants vary according to areas - some give zero - best advice is from companies as to what is available and a good company does the paperwork for you. Some companies bury the grant details in the quote and deal with everything that way.

One thing I had to do was to find which of the meters in my block was mine and photograph it - harder than you might think - as the identifying number (not on my bill - nor are meter readings) is part of the bar code. The ID number is not the CUPS number but has a complicated  Spanish title.

Other things to think about are what your property is electrically rated at because this determines your standing charges - high in Spain and your savings only come from the usage of electricity and the feedback rate.

The main advantage would be independence of supply to some degree, obviously more if you have batteries. In my case putting the water heater on only during the daylight hours, using a timer, means there is a supply of power. In a mad moment I had the washing machine, water heater on together with the toaster. When I was drawing 2.7kW, 2.5kW was provided by the system. My system will provide more power as I went for 8 panels but until the feedback is agreed with the company the control system always draws some power from the grid and you can not exceed that amount. for instance my computer system draws 78 watts and sometimes is the only use of electricity but always 38watts is from the grid as a buffer zone from accidentally feeding in to the grid unauthorised.

There are conditions about the feedback systems here as well  as the UK as described above. My understanding of this would be that the problem has been sorted out, to allow more people to enter the generation system. Again you need to ask companies directly, don't be fobbed off, ask and keep asking - getting it in writing before you sign a contract?

I am not endorsing EcoCorp but I got my system through them and in my experience and opinion is, they are a benchmark company you can judge the others against? However, such was the demand, before recent political events, that I had to wait three months at least before it was installed. I assume other companies will be the same.

If anyone needs more info (it is a big subject) put general questions here and write to me individually for anything else?

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