UK Ex-Pat Winter Fuel Payment - Weather in Almería - Almería forum - Costa de Almería forum in the Almeria province of Spain
Mini Digger Almera
Grupo Platinum Estates
Have Tools Will Travel
ASSSA Insurance
UK DIRECT REMOVALS
DELMURJ SL

Join the Almería forum

Join the Almería forumMy name's Alex and this is my website all about Almería in Spain. Register now for free to talk about Weather in Almería and much more!

UK Ex-Pat Winter Fuel Payment

Posted: Thu Nov 2, 2023 12:49pm
18 replies8 members subscribed
StuBurt

Posts: 4

4 helpful points

Location: Almería

Joined: 2 Nov 2023



There are over 500,000 UK Ex-pats living in France and Spain many of whom are retired old age pensioners.

About 10 years ago Iain Duncan Smith called for wealthy pensioners who do not need benefit payments such as winter fuel allowance and free bus passes benefit payments should voluntarily hand back the money to the government. I would enjoy reading the audited statistics of the money repaid.

Shock horror when all UK Ex-Pats living in France and Spain had their Winter Fuel Allowance cancelled.

The then Work and Pensions Secretary explained that calculations were made on official temperature figures for each country, based on a five month winter that represents the coldest time of the year in the UK, matching existing criteria used by the government for other forms of cold weather payment.

In response to questions about recognising the variance of temperatures depending on altitude and region, Mr Duncan Smith said the government had looked at a system of weighting temperatures for areas with heavy populations of British pensioners, as opposed to calculating using figures for each whole country. But as the highest concentrations of British pensioners were often found in the warmer parts of European countries, it would have meant at least as many countries would be excluded as under the adopted scheme, if not more.

On the complaint that warmer overseas territories of countries like France, Spain and Portugal had skewed the results for British pensioners in those countries, the Work Minister said that European law would have to be changed for France’s Caribbean islands, Spain’s Canary Islands and Portugal’s Atlantic islands not to be included in the calculations.

The changes implemented including the system of weighting meant that the measurement of temperature was altered to suit the new criteria thus denying UK Ex-Pat pensioners the Winter Fuel Allowance

For those of us UK Ex-pats that live full-time in France and Spain

we know just how cold the winter months may be.

Please view my UK government petition

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/647060

or click on the Q Code below to try and reinstate our much needed benefit to keep warm in winter.

Geordiemark

Posted: Thu Nov 2, 2023 1:03pm

Geordiemark

Helpful member

Posts: 315

303 helpful points

Location: Arboleas

Joined: 22 Oct 2021

Posted: Thu Nov 2, 2023 1:03pm

I'm sorry, but I disagree with your claim that pensioners in Spain should receive the winter fuel payment.

Are you trying to say that you experience the same levels of cold temperatures that pensioners in the UK suffer?

Well that is absurd, yes getting into December/Jan/Feb night temps can dip, but not close to the winter temps experienced by UK pensioners, often not getting above zero for days.

The money should be awarded to the pensioners who really need it in the UK.

StuBurt

Posted: Thu Nov 2, 2023 1:19pm

StuBurt

Original Poster

Posts: 4

4 helpful points

Location: Almería

Joined: 2 Nov 2023

Posted: Thu Nov 2, 2023 1:19pm

Geordiemark wrote on Thu Nov 2, 2023 1:03pm:

I'm sorry, but I disagree with your claim that pensioners in Spain should receive the winter fuel payment.

Are you trying to say that you experience the same levels of cold temperatures that pensioners in the UK suffer?

Well that is absurd, yes getting into December/Jan/Feb night temps can dip, but not close to the winter temps experienced by UK pensioners, often not getting above zero for days.

The money should be awarded to the pensioners who really need it in the UK.

Many thanks for your opinion and message. 

Best regards 

Stu

Geordiemark

Posted: Thu Nov 2, 2023 3:24pm

Geordiemark

Helpful member

Posts: 315

303 helpful points

Location: Arboleas

Joined: 22 Oct 2021

Posted: Thu Nov 2, 2023 3:24pm

StuBurt wrote on Thu Nov 2, 2023 1:19pm:

Many thanks for your opinion and message. 

Best regards 

Stu

You're welcome. Just giving my POV. Healthy discussion and all that.

tony3121

Posted: Fri Nov 3, 2023 8:40am

tony3121

Helpful member

Posts: 118

149 helpful points

Location: Roquetas de Mar

Joined: 22 Jul 2018

Posted: Fri Nov 3, 2023 8:40am

Once again we have people who can afford to live in Spain but still want the benefits of the UK.

Advertisement - posts continue below

DarioMartin

Posted: Fri Nov 3, 2023 7:55pm

DarioMartin

Legendary helpful member

Posts: 5408

6459 helpful points

Location: Vera

Joined: 16 Aug 2017

Posted: Fri Nov 3, 2023 7:55pm

Out of curiousity, what exactly IS the winter fuel payment, and what is its purpose?

Geordiemark

Posted: Fri Nov 3, 2023 8:19pm

Geordiemark

Helpful member

Posts: 315

303 helpful points

Location: Arboleas

Joined: 22 Oct 2021

Posted: Fri Nov 3, 2023 8:19pm

It's a payment the retirees are entitled too in the UK. Paid in November or December, I think. A one off payment of £250 is made.

DarioMartin

Posted: Fri Nov 3, 2023 8:46pm

DarioMartin

Legendary helpful member

Posts: 5408

6459 helpful points

Location: Vera

Joined: 16 Aug 2017

Posted: Fri Nov 3, 2023 8:46pm

Geordiemark wrote on Fri Nov 3, 2023 8:19pm:

It's a payment the retirees are entitled too in the UK. Paid in November or December, I think. A one off payment of £250 is made.

Right.  Now without trying to be contentious .... why would expats in Spain need that?

In the UK, I can understand - but it is a payment made to UK pensioners.  Neither Spain nor France have a similar payment to pensioners  by my understanding.  An S1 form entitles a British / English pensioner to an equivalent level of care in the host country....

Now, beings the cost of living in Spain is much lower - yes, even the cost of electricity and gas is lower here than UK - and the winters are much milder - certainly down here in the South, what could possibly be the reasoning or justification for a winter fuel subsidy for someone living here,,especially when our (still sort-of) Socialist (caretaker) government don't feel the need to assist their pensioners in the same manner?

Geordiemark

Posted: Fri Nov 3, 2023 9:02pm

Geordiemark

Helpful member

Posts: 315

303 helpful points

Location: Arboleas

Joined: 22 Oct 2021

Posted: Fri Nov 3, 2023 9:02pm

DarioMartin wrote on Fri Nov 3, 2023 8:46pm:

Right.  Now without trying to be contentious .... why would expats in Spain need that?

In the UK, I can understand - but it is a payment made to UK pensioners.  Neither Spain nor France have a similar payment to pensioners  by my understanding.  An S1 form entitles a British / English pensioner to an equivalent level of care in the host country.......

...

Now, beings the cost of living in Spain is much lower - yes, even the cost of electricity and gas is lower here than UK - and the winters are much milder - certainly down here in the South, what could possibly be the reasoning or justification for a winter fuel subsidy for someone living here,,especially when our (still sort-of) Socialist (caretaker) government don't feel the need to assist their pensioners in the same manner?

I agree totally, That would be my argument for retirees in Spain not to get the payment. Yes, I'll concede the nights can be cold December/January, but not even close to what they are in the UK, plus at least it usually warms up nicely during the day.

It seems to me it's one of those little Englander things, move to Spain for the climate, want the payments as if they'd stayed in the cold.

Jenni

Posted: Sat Nov 4, 2023 12:58pm

Jenni

Super helpful member

Posts: 1293

1002 helpful points

Location: Oria

Joined: 14 Dec 2017

Posted: Sat Nov 4, 2023 12:58pm

I'll just add my twopeneth.  When we lived in Oria, the temperature there can drop below Zero quite often during the day as well as the night, as Oria is very high. The UK government continued to pay me my winter fuel, because their records were all up the creek, no surprise there, anyway I had to pay it back, fair enough, but the day the letter arrived telling me I wasn't allowed it I had 2 woodburners going in the house and 3 layers of clothes on and it was snowing outside. Now my point is, I have paid my UK taxes ever since I was 15yrs, so as far as I am concerned even though I choose to leave the Uk I should still have been able to claim the winter fuel Payment. Just like I am entitled to my UK pension when I live abroad, why is it  the government view winter payments differently.

I'll tell you the answer,  because they can, and they continue to get away with murder.

Sign up for free or login to reply to this topic

Want to reply to this topic? Login or register for free to post your message:

Find more Weather topics from a particular area:


Register for free!

Login to your account

Mini Digger Almera
Grupo Platinum Estates
Have Tools Will Travel
ASSSA Insurance
UK DIRECT REMOVALS
DELMURJ SL
Advertise your business here
Advertise your property
Help with my computer