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Lyn77

Posted: Sun Mar 24, 2019 1:14pm

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Posted: Sun Mar 24, 2019 1:14pm

I too live here but wasn't able to vote.  However I would have voted to leave and am sick of all the minority of the people who say. 17.4 million were wrong.  But am equally sick if the whole debacle.

DarioMartin

Posted: Sun Mar 24, 2019 1:18pm

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Posted: Sun Mar 24, 2019 1:18pm

Lyn77 wrote on Sun Mar 24, 2019 1:14pm:

I too live here but wasn't able to vote.  However I would have voted to leave and am sick of all the minority of the people who say. 17.4 million were wrong.  But am equally sick if the whole debacle.

17.4 million is hardly an overwhelming majority though.

Here’s to a second referendum and a long happy future remaining part of the EU.

Kingo473

Posted: Mon Mar 25, 2019 8:10am

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Posted: Mon Mar 25, 2019 8:10am

I love how most of the comments on here, from people who “turned their back” on the UK, now have such an huge interest in it? Isn’t this “me me me”, like someone mentioned about the MPs? Get on with your life in the sun, and leave those living back home to get on with it. I do!

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Posted: Mon Mar 25, 2019 8:18am

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They have such a huge interest, because as UK Citizens, what UK does or doesn’t do will directly and possibly adversely affect their life here.  And that’s the great thing about democracy - being a Citizen of that country allows you to have a voice and not be stifled by those who seek their own agenda.

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Posted: Mon Mar 25, 2019 8:34am

DarioMartin wrote on Mon Mar 25, 2019 8:18am:

They have such a huge interest, because as UK Citizens, what UK does or doesn’t do will directly and possibly adversely affect their life here.  And that’s the great thing about democracy - being a Citizen of that country allows you to have a voice and not be stifled by those who seek th...

...eir own agenda.

Hahaha, DEMOCRACY???

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DarioMartin

Posted: Mon Mar 25, 2019 9:06am

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Posted: Mon Mar 25, 2019 9:06am

Democracy indeed - it means having a say - and being allowed to change your mind.

“If a democracy cannot change its mind, then it ceases to be a democracy”

~ David Davis, Nov 2012

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Posted: Mon Mar 25, 2019 9:58am

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Posted: Mon Mar 25, 2019 9:58am

Democracy - how often have we heard this word? Democracy is not perfect, but it is the best of what we've got. We must work within its constraints. Frank Underwood said in House of Cards "Democracy has its limits."

But, three years ago the UK had a referendum and voted for Brexit. If I had been living in the UK then I'd have voted for Brexit too. Mine would have been a protest vote (hoping for a Remain win). Those who voted for Brexit as a protest had their vote backfire. 

There was lots of misinformation about then. UKIP, Boris and a few others got on a platform, told some great stories that appealed to the masses, sounded good and demanded the UK to be returned to the Brits with total control over their own Money, Borders etc. The UK always had control over its own money and borders. But, Boris (never short of a few bob ever!) looked good, sounded good and sold a huge lie. Herr Goebbels could not have done a better job in Germany, a few years back.

That huge bastion of unemployment, Sunderland, voted for Brexit. Now Nissan are pulling out out of Sunderland adding to the huge unemployment. Other companies are doing the same. The UK is losing opportunities in the pharmaceutical, finance industries to say the least. It appears many Brexit voters did not know what they were voting for. The misinformation that was fired around influenced the Sun Reader contingent of the UK. 

If Article 50 is not revoked, the UK will get what it voted for. Coupled with this the Remain sections (Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland) will have Brexit inflicted on them.That of course, is Democracy in action.

I hear many Brits say "Let's just get on with it, we're fed up of all the negotiating over the past few months!" Sorry Guys! Being fed up of something doesn't make things right. In Ireland the Brexit referendum result has been main news every day for the past three years, not the past three months. We Irish can see the dreadful mistake the English public have made. We believe it can be corrected even in the short time remaining.

I would say to the cocky Brits in Spain who are bald-head supporting Brexit to think of their own people in Spain, especially those without Residencia (and an Irish passport) and sign up to Revoke Article 50 immediately. You have more to gain than to lose by doing this and perhaps a better understanding of real Democracy.

DarioMartin

Posted: Mon Mar 25, 2019 10:42am

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Posted: Mon Mar 25, 2019 10:42am

The petition to revoke stands now at 5,39 million signatures and still growing.  To those that believe that it’s mainly influenced by fake votes from abroad ..... sorry.  A link at the bottom provides data from where the votes are garnered.  First by country, then by district.  5,2 million votes are from within the UK.  Another few thousand are from EU countries where British Nationals conceivably live.  The rest are scattered around the world - a few thousand that MIGHT be considered fake at most.

Kingo473

Posted: Mon Mar 25, 2019 11:03am

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Posted: Mon Mar 25, 2019 11:03am

DarioMartin wrote on Mon Mar 25, 2019 9:06am:

Democracy indeed - it means having a say - and being allowed to change your mind.

“If a democracy cannot change its mind, then it ceases to be a democracy”

~ David Davis, Nov 2012

So when you have a Referendum and it doesn’t go your way, do you stamp your feet and ask for another till you get what you want? Where does this madness stop? Is that democracy? 

DarioMartin

Posted: Mon Mar 25, 2019 11:17am

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Kingo473 wrote on Mon Mar 25, 2019 11:03am:

So when you have a Referendum and it doesn’t go your way, do you stamp your feet and ask for another till you get what you want? Where does this madness stop? Is that democracy? 

Is claiming that 51% to 49% is an overwhelming majority democracy?  Is denying that a very large amount of people may now have changed their mind democracy?  Is denying a second vote on the basis of now what is known, as opposed to outright lies and scaremongering democracy?

Brexiteers constantly crow about “17,4 million” .... out of a country of over 60 million? Not exactly “overwhelming” is it?

The madness ends when Government says “perhaps the people should now be given a final say on how we progress, now that cold hard facts are at hand, not supposition and scaremongering”

Perhaps a hundred turned up for “leave means leave” - maybe more.  Over a million turned up for the people’s vote March.  5,3 million have now signed the Revoke Article 50 petition, making it the most successful petition on the government site to date.

The madness, as I say, ends with a second vote.  If the country, as a majority decide after seeing what Brexit means still decides to leave, so be it.  But Brexiteers I suggest are scared - because I don’t think the vote would go that way somehow ....

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