Positive news on Vaccines

DarioMartin wrote on Sun Aug 30, 2020 11:55am:

some rather hopeful news on a vaccine - and we could all use a little hope about now.

Now I’m not looking to start a discussion on the realities of the pandemic or the rights and wrongs of vaccination - this thread is meant for those who subscribe to the notion of there being a pandemic and believe in vaccination - I would ask for that to be respected, and comments regarding neg...

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...ative aspects of vaccination or disbelief in Coronavirus be kept to another thread.  Let those of us who do believe enjoy some much needed good news.

And indeed there is good news on the horizon, with Spain having purchased 30.000.000 doses of the Oxford vaccine “off plan” as it were.  AstraZeneca believe that the vaccine could be in production as early as the end of this year, with results of trials worldwide of 10.000 volunteers due in September.

Spain has availed itself of this through the European Vaccine Strategy.

See full story for some rather hopeful news here : https://www.thinkspain.com/news-spain/32388/spain-to-buy-30-million-oxford-vaccines-against-covid-19?utm_campaign=newsletter_20200830&utm_content=news_23365&utm_medium=email&utm_source=sub_newsletter

Jen jen wrote on Sun Aug 30, 2020 5:17pm:

At the moment it seems like good news....

If it  doesn't become mandatory,that will then be another form of control,for example,travel,you can't go to certain or all countries if you haven't had it...not a good thing in my opinion but only time will tell...

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Another thing.....

At the mo people seem to generally believe that they are protected by masks and no gloves. So if for example someone is in mercadonna without a mask, would you object ? If so why ? Also any drug that is produced for the general population whether it be aspirin,Valium or morphine or indeed any vaccine, has always had to be subjected to at least 3 to 5 years worth of clinical trials before being deemed "safe for human consumption". Include the fact that all the major dominant medical coorparations have been granted complete legal immunity against being sued if they get it wrong would you be willing to take a vaccine that is less than a year in research/development and therefore completely unproven with no liability on the part of the manufactures?

DarioMartin wrote on Sun Aug 30, 2020 7:33pm:

Well the whole mask thing is an open question.  Do masks protect you on their own? No. Of course not, but masks plus social distance lessens the chance of contracting a virus.  This is not a new concept - it was pretty much the same during the 1918 / 1919 Flu pandemic - masks + distance...

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... offer greater protection than no masks and close up and personal.  After the pandemic, masks went away - and you’d have to believe that immediately following a terrible war would have been the ideal time for a government to exert “control”.  But they didn’t and when the flu dissapeared, so did the masks.  It will be the same with Coronavirus.  

Only N95 and surgical masks offer ANY protection against ingress of virus, but if someone has it, then a mask cuts down the distance airborne droplets travel if they cough / sneeze - that’s pretty much the whole reason behind masks - not to protect the wearer, but to help protect FROM the wearer.  Why does EVERYONE have to wear one, even if they are healthy?  Because it appears to take around 14 days for symptoms to show so even people who believe they are healthy MIGHT be carrying the virus.  So, as a community, we all play our part and work together to defeat this.

Would I be happy with someone in Mercadona not wearing a mask? No, but not wearing a mask is becoming as socially unacceptable as going naked into a supermarket, so the non-mask wearer is going to feel socially isolated and unwelcome.

Vaccine.  Yes, generally they go through years of trials - unless something raises its head which necessitates a swift response.  You’re asking the wrong person if I’d be willing to “trial” an “untested” vaccine as I spent 10 years in the armed forces and had gods knows how many needles, carrying gods knows what shoved into me.  Me and my other two heads are just fine.

The vaccine isn’t un-trialled though - as highlighted, it’s currently being tested on around 10.000 people worldwide.  It will only be released if there is a definitive positive result.

Jen jen wrote on Mon Aug 31, 2020 11:53am:

The counter argument is that if you believe that the mask protects you then anyone not wearing one shouldn't be able to infect you. This is an even more valid point regarding a vaccine as they popourt to make you immune from that individual disease. So if you take the vaccine and can't then catch...

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... the disease why would you admonish anyone who doesn't as they DEFINATELY can't infect you. Again this should be a voluntary choice per individual not through medical tyrrany

Jenni wrote on Mon Aug 31, 2020 12:26pm:

No Jen Jen, I will not be having a vaccine that hasn't been thru proper clinical trials, If  it is safe after 3 years and they can show a significate benefit to having it then I will think again. But thank you for your post Dario informing us of Spains puchase. 

As for masks, I was in Lidl last week, the cashier pulled down her mask, sneezed into her hand, and then replace the mask. A few people commented, she shrugged her shoulders. So, with people like that there is no hope of containing it....

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The other thing I was thinking the other day is when this pandemic hit, people were dropping like flies, hospitals were full etc etc. Now all of that seem to have abated just the odd breakout here and there.

So............... my question is has the social distancing/masks worked, or has the virua run its course and the strain becoming weaker.

Regards to all Jenni

DarioMartin wrote on Mon Aug 31, 2020 12:50pm:

With regards your question Jenni - it’s an excellent question - I would LOVE to think it is a combination of both.  Virus’ will invariably mutate, and they mutate to take out the weaker elements.  The purpose of a virus is to replicate and if it kills its host too quickly, it can’...

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...t do that,  it may well be that the virus has mutated into something less lethal, it could be the warmer weather has aided in killing off more of the virus, and it could be that the restrictions put in place have reduced the incidence of infection.

If when cooler weather comes the virus still seems less active than it was, then we can all draw a cautious breath (masked and socially distanced, of course...)