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NIE, TIE, Residencia, Padrón etc - the terminology alone can be confusing!

Posted: Mon Dec 23, 2019 9:17pm
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Thanks for this explanation are due to Brexpats in Spain -

“NIE, TIE, Residencia, Padrón  etc - the terminology alone can be confusing so let me try to explain.

“The Padrón comes from your local Town Hall and is their list of inhabitants. It is needed for many transactions here (registering with a doctor, getting a child into school etc). If asked to present it, ensure it is dated within the last 3 months.

“The NIE (Número de Identificación de Extranjero) is a white A4 paper showing we have an ID number which is ours for life. You may need this to buy a car or a property for example but you do not need to be a resident. New rule here is that an appointed proxy cannot now apply for it on your behalf, it has to be done in person.

“The Certificado de Registro de Ciudadano de la UE (the green residency for EU citizens).  This can be on green A4 paper or more recently credit card-sized. You  must apply for it if you intend to reside here for more than 90 days.  After 5 years you can apply to make it permanent.

“The TIE  (Tarjeta de Identificación de Extranjero). This is the card required by non EU citizens to prove residency here and since we shall become non EU citizens after Brexit we are likely to need to exchange our green  residency for this but only when Spain has decided how it wants to  process us.

“The added confusion is that the Spanish wrongly call our green residency our NIE! So if asked by a Spanish authority to show  our NIE they mean the green card - which we wrongly call our Residencia. The *real* Residencia is the TIE and does not apply to us yet because we are still EU citizens.

“Confusing? Yes it can be but be sure to have your green residency card handy if you here for more than 90 days, update it with current address and make it permanent if  possible. Appointments are still being offered but we are not sure till when so don't delay. Do not make appointments yet for your TIE  application. Rumours abound that you should but until Spain decides what to do with us, it is pointless just yet.

“It’s also important  to exchange your UK driving licence. Rumours abound as well that the IDP  (International Driving Permit) will suffice - it will not! If you are resident here exchange your British driving licence for a Spanish one.  Don't risk it - unless you are confident to take your driving test here  and in Spanish because that could ultimately be your 'reward' for not exchanging it on time!

“The best explanation I can give of the difference between a green residency card and the TIE is that the existing green card proves our RIGHT as an EU CITIZEN to reside here and the TIE proves we have been given PERMISSION by Spain to reside here.”

Chris

Marie52

Posted: Tue Dec 24, 2019 1:56pm

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Posted: Tue Dec 24, 2019 1:56pm

Hi  Chris

When you say you need to exchange your driving licence if you reside in Spain is that up to 90 days after arrival ?

Also, is it like France in that you have to get Spanish plates on your car during the first 6 months ?

Marie 

chrisso50

Posted: Tue Dec 24, 2019 8:06pm

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Posted: Tue Dec 24, 2019 8:06pm

chrisso50 wrote on Mon Dec 23, 2019 9:17pm:

Thanks for this explanation are due to Brexpats in Spain -

“NIE, TIE, Residencia, Padrón  etc - the terminology alone can be confusing so let me try to explain.

“The Padrón comes from your local Town Hall and is their list of inhabitants. It is needed for many transactions here (registering with a doctor, getting a child into school etc). If asked to present it, ensure it is dated within the last 3 months.

“The NIE (Número de Identificación de Extranjero) is a white A4 paper showing we have an ID number which is ours for life. You may need this to buy a car or a property for example but you do not need to be a resident. New rule here is that an appointed proxy cannot now apply for it on your behalf, it has to be done in person.

“The Certificado de Registro de Ciudadano de la UE (the green residency for EU citizens).  This can be on green A4 paper or more recently credit card-sized. You  must apply for it if you intend to reside here for more than 90 days.  After 5 years you can apply to make it permanent.

“The TIE  (Tarjeta de Identificación de Extranjero). This is the card required by non EU citizens to prove residency here and since we shall become non EU citizens after Brexit we are likely to need to exchange our green  residency for this but only when Spain has decided how it wants to  process us.

“The added confusion is that the Spanish wrongly call our green residency our NIE! So if asked by a Spanish authority to show  our NIE they mean the green card - which we wrongly call our Residencia. The *real* Residencia is the TIE and does not apply to us yet because we are still EU citizens.

“Confusing? Yes it can be but be sure to have your green residency card handy if you here for more than 90 days, update it with current address and make it permanent if  possible. Appointments are still being offered but we are not sure till when so don't delay. Do not make appointments yet for your TIE  application. Rumours abound that you should but until Spain decides what to do with us, it is pointless just yet.

“It’s also important  to exchange your UK driving licence. Rumours abound as well that the IDP  (International Driving Permit) will suffice - it will not! If you are resident here exchange your British driving licence for a Spanish one.  Don't risk it - unless you are confident to take your driving test here  and in Spanish because that could ultimately be your 'reward' for not exchanging it on time!

“The best explanation I can give of the difference between a green residency card and the TIE is that the existing green card proves our RIGHT as an EU CITIZEN to reside here and the TIE proves we have been given PERMISSION by Spain to reside here.”

Chris

No Marie

There is no requirement to do it within 90 days of arrival, like there is with residencia. But it is advisable to do it ASAP, and especially before the Transition period ends (currently scheduled for Dec 2020).

Remember there are two medical checks you need to have certified before you exchange your U.K. licence - we had these done locally at an approved office/centre and they were basically an eyesight test and a computer check on ability to assess speed. Quite simple and straightforward.

There is no requirement to attach special plates to your vehicle. If you drive a U.K. vehicle over as we did I think you are supposed to adjust the headlight beams. However we were not driving at night and I confess we did not do so. I ended up driving the car back to the U.K. alone to sell it and flying back. We then bought a Spanish LHD car a few months later.

Chris

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Marie52

Posted: Wed Dec 25, 2019 10:12am

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Posted: Wed Dec 25, 2019 10:12am

Hi Chris 

Thanks for the info. We are resident in France at the moment with U.K. cars that have replacement headlights for LHD and as soon as that is done your U.K. mot is no longer valid. So in order to have a French control technique done every two years your car has to registered with French number plates. I’d be interested to know from other members if it’s similar in Spain and how often a Spanish “MOT” is necessary ?

Marie  

chrisso50

Posted: Thu Dec 26, 2019 6:36am

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Posted: Thu Dec 26, 2019 6:36am

Marie52 wrote on Wed Dec 25, 2019 10:12am:

Hi Chris 

Thanks for the info. We are resident in France at the moment with U.K. cars that have replacement headlights for LHD and as soon as that is done your U.K. mot is no longer valid. So in order to have a French control technique done every two years your car has to registered with French number plat...

...es. I’d be interested to know from other members if it’s similar in Spain and how often a Spanish “MOT” is necessary ?

Marie  

Marie, there is another thread on the forum that addresses Driving Licences exchange, car matriculation, MOT/ITV, etc. You may get a useful reply if you post your enquiry there.

Chris

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Posted: Thu Dec 26, 2019 6:54am

Thank you

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