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After Brexit and the transition period has ended

Posted: Mon Dec 16, 2019 11:19pm
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This is what Britons wishing to move here after Brexit and the transition period has ended, will face when applying for a visa as a Third Country National (not Spanish and not a EU country national).  

In particular note the financial requirements. Only the wealthy will be able to take advantage.

Non-lucrative residence permit holders are usually faced with the following three issues when it comes to renewing. It can lead to refusal and consequently means returning to your home country, even losing the period of residence that you had in Spain.

The first one is that you did not remain in Spain, as this permit is cancelled when staying outside of Spain for more than six months in a period of one year.

The second issue you may face is the financial means. The initial permit granted is for a period of one year, and the financial means that have to be demonstrated are for that period only, however the renewals (renewal is required on two occasions) have a validity of two years, which means you will need to show sufficient funds for that entire period. An applicant, without additional family members, must prove 25816 euros or its equivalent in the foreign legal currency the first time. When renewing, they will be asked to prove 51633 euros or its equivalent in foreign legal currency.

The final issue when it comes to renewing residency is, if the applicant hasn’t schooled their minors (if they are of compulsory school age) during their stay in Spain. This will lead to refusal.

Other checks carried out by the Spanish Foreigners Office for the renewal of the permit are the foreign national’s integration efforts, criminal records and compliance with tax (payment of taxes, fees, fines, etc.) and their Social Security obligations. In the event of non-payment, the residence permit may be refused.

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Posted: Tue Dec 17, 2019 10:10am

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Posted: Tue Dec 17, 2019 10:10am

Hi,  reading  this  ? so are you telling me  that my resedencia (green card) permit is only valid for one year ?

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Posted: Tue Dec 17, 2019 12:14pm

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Posted: Tue Dec 17, 2019 12:14pm

Leon wrote on Tue Dec 17, 2019 10:10am:

Hi,  reading  this  ? so are you telling me  that my resedencia (green card) permit is only valid for one year ?

Leon

Not at all Leon. What I posted was prefixed by:

“This is what Britons wishing to move here after Brexit and the transition period has ended...”

Those of us that are here and have obtained residencia before the Transition period ends (Dec 2020 says Johnson) will be OK, as far as I know.

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Posted: Tue Dec 17, 2019 12:32pm

Hi Chris 

The figures you have quoted 25816 euros & 51663 euros - is that money in the bank or 

annual income ? Is it doubled for a couple ?

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Posted: Tue Dec 17, 2019 12:33pm

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Posted: Tue Dec 17, 2019 12:33pm

I think it is too early to analyse what will happen after Brexit. One thing is sure i.e. things are not going to remain the same. The whole thing about the EU is to promote improvement for its members and partial members. Don't worry, I'm not going to argue the Remain/Exit issues again. But, English speaking residents of Spain cannot be ignored. Remember Spain gains from their presence. This is an undisputable fact and the Spanish authorities are not going to let any kind of income slip. 

After 31st January 2020 there will be a transition period of up to two years before full Brexit happens. OK! Mr Johnson has promised that things will move pretty fast even before Christmas. So, let's not over analyse the situation and suggest future uncertainty. Much negotiating is ahead for the governments of the UK and the EU. Perhaps Mr Johnson can use the two year time limit positively? Saying "we're out faster than you think" is not the way to go.

I've got some undeserved criticism on this forum for suggesting that anybody who can qualify for an Irish passport to apply for one. It just might be a favourable one-stop solution for what's ahead. If you have one grandparent who is/was Irish you easily qualify. It doesn't work the other way round i.e. if a grandparent was British, his/her Irish grandchildren cannot qualify for a UK passport. I can say that because I am one.

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Posted: Tue Dec 17, 2019 5:41pm

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Posted: Tue Dec 17, 2019 5:41pm

Marie52 wrote on Tue Dec 17, 2019 12:32pm:

Hi Chris 

The figures you have quoted 25816 euros & 51663 euros - is that money in the bank or 

annual income ? Is it doubled for a couple ?

Marie

To be honest, I don’t know. My original information comes from a professional advice source. But because it refers to requirements for third country nationals I assume it is evidence of income each year, capital in the bank can be there one day (borrowed) and gone the next.

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Posted: Tue Dec 17, 2019 5:46pm

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Posted: Tue Dec 17, 2019 5:46pm

Matthew said:

“I think it is too early to analyse what will happen after Brexit. One thing is sure i.e. things are not going to remain the same.”

That is certainly the case. But Brexit will happen. Jan 2020 is almost 100% certain. The Transition period expires on Dec 2020, that will be in tablets of stone or at any rate British legislation.

So no time to waste before getting here and getting residencia. It will be much harder to do so after Dec 2020.

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Posted: Tue Dec 17, 2019 7:14pm

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Posted: Tue Dec 17, 2019 7:14pm

Am I missing something here?  Mr Johnson is pushing for no extension beyond 2020. Suddenly, the GBP£ tumbles because of the feared crash out from the EU. He has his unassailable majority. Now he is kicking the people who supported him where it hurts. Something appears to be wrong in No. 10.

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Posted: Tue Dec 17, 2019 8:44pm

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Posted: Tue Dec 17, 2019 8:44pm

Matthew said “Johnson is pushing for no extension beyond 2020. Suddenly, the GBP£ tumbles because of the feared crash out from the EU.”

He wants no extension beyond Dec 2020. That may mean no Trade Deal. The Withdrawal Agreement will be passed by Parliament and so we Brexit Stage Right - Part 1 - in January. But we remain in the Single Market and Customs Union under the Transition - Brexit Part 2. During that time he has 11 months to obtain a trade deal. He may not get one in that time, hence the fall in Sterling.

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Posted: Tue Dec 17, 2019 9:08pm

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Posted: Tue Dec 17, 2019 9:08pm

Given Mr Johnson is unwilling to extend the transition period, I fail to see how Spain is going to be able in 11 months to convert Residencia to TIE for some 350.000+ expats, as well as processing new arrivals.  Even with extra staff, the government hours worked, plus numerous public holidays mean they face an absolutely mammoth task.

Be nice if they did what they did for all the huge amount of South American migrants a few years back and just do a blanket “conversion” - hell if they offered citizenship, I’d take it!!

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