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Advice from CAB (Spain) on Residency if there is a ‘No Deal’ Boris Brexit

Posted: Sun Jul 28, 2019 9:51pm
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This is the Citizens Advice Bureau (Spain) Advice on Residency issued 29.3.19 (taking into account the EU extension till 31 Oct 2019).

Further to the No Deal Contingency Plan that the Spanish Government published earlier this month, with regards to instructions on how to obtain the required documentation as a resident from a ‘third country’. This would be the status of UK nationals, if the UK exits the EU without a deal. In this case there will not be a transitioyn period. Whichever date that will be – at the earliest 31 October 2019?

RESIDENCY

The main difference between EU and non EU residents is that EU citizens have freedom of movement and that entails being allowed to work and settle in any of the EU member states.  Non EU citizens who wish to reside and/or work in Spain,  need to ask for authorisation first through the Spanish consulate in their own homeland. 

In the case of British citizens ALREADY residing here in Spain on the day the UK exits the EU, there will be procedures to obtain a ‘TIE’ residence certificate (Tarjeta de Identidad de Extranjero) and prior authorisation to work and/or reside here where applicable.

With regards to arranging for the new residency documentation as non EU residents in Spain, there will be a grace period of 21 months. All those who have registered as EU residents before the U.K. exit date, plus those that are residing here but have not applied for residency as yet, will be considered legal residents and also allowed to work in Spain. The existing EU resident certificates will remain valid proof of legal residency during this grace period whilst they have not been replaced by the new non EU TIE residency document, provided they have not expired (non-EU family members of EU residents). 

All UK nationals residing in Spain and their family members will need to obtain a new TIE residency card to document their status as non EU residents before the end of the grace period.

As we interpret this from the published instructions, there will be 4 different procedures:

GROUP I

Those with residency certificates that state they are permanent residents, “residente comunitario con carácter permanente desde ….”. 

This certificate sufficiently accredits legal and continuous residency of 5 years or more, entitling you to apply for the TIE for non EU citizens that accredits “residencia de larga duración” without the need to apply for residency authorisation first.

The group above will need to apply for the TIE personally at the foreigners office of the Policia Nacional. You will need to supply: passport, proof of payment of the administrative fee ´tasa´ and a photograph. The same applies for a non EU family member of a permanent UK resident who also has a permanent residency card.

GROUP II

Those who have resided in Spain legally for 5 years or more, but don’t have a certificate that confirms this status:

These will need to apply for an authorisation of “residencia larga duración” with the Extranjería (provincial foreigners office in their province). The group will need to accredit their legal and continuous residency first. They will be asked to supply other documentation besides the EU residency certificate. This could include a report from the education authorities re attendance at school if you have children that are obliged to attend. A criminal records check can form part of the procedure. Periods of absence from Spain during the 5 years can influence the accreditation negatively. The Extranjería office will respond to your application within 3 months and if you receive a positive reply, you will then need to apply for your TIE residency card within one month at the Foreigners office at National Police in your area.

According to the Foreigners Law, the TIE ‘residencía larga duración’ will need to be renewed every 5 years, but the instructions for UK nationals only mentions that it will be valid for whatever period will be decided on.

GROUP III

This includes those who reside in Spain legally, so will have registered as residents before the 31 Oct 2019, but are not considered permanent residents yet (resident under 5 years):

They will need to apply for a TIE “residencia temporal” with the National Police in their area and present their EU residency certificate and valid passport, pay the “tasa” (administrative fee) and provide a photo. A criminal record check can form part of the procedure.

The TIE will be valid for up to five years depending on when you registered as EU resident.  Example: if you registered as EU resident two years before you apply for your TIE, the TIE will be issued for 3 years.

Once the TIE expires, you need to apply for an authorisation for “residencia larga duración” and once granted, apply for a TIE “larga duración” as well.

According to the Spanish Foreigners Law, the TIE “residencía larga duración” will normally need to be renewed every 5 years. In this case, the instructions for UK nationals only mention that it will be valid for whatever period will be decided on.

GROUP IV

Those who reside in Spain but haven’t registered as resident before the 31 October so are without an EU residency certificate:

They will need to apply for a residency AUTHORIZATION first, with the Extranjería Office in their province (or electronically) and once that has been resolved positively, apply for a TIE “residencia temporal” (temporary residence).

Residents in this situation need to apply for the residency authorisation as soon as possible after the exit date, as the application receipt will accredit their legal residency in Spain, until they will be issued the TIE.

If your application meets the requisites, it will be processed. If declined, you will be given 10 days to provide required additional documentation. If you fail to do so, the application will be denied, with possibility to appeal. A criminal records check can form part of the procedure.

You will need to provide proof of residence (through your certificate of registration on the padrón, rental contract, ownership of property, employment contract, enrolment at a study centre), proof of either employment or self employment, and if not working, provide proof of medical insurance AND proof of income, that needs to be over the amount established in the General Budget as valid for the non-contributory pensions. So equal to the requisites for EU residents.

The Extranjero Office will respond to your application within 3 months and if you receive a positive reply, you will need to apply for your TIE residency card within one month after approval with the National Police in your area.

The TIE “residencía temporal” will be valid for up to 5 years, taking into account the period you have been able to accredit as “irregular EU residency”. Example: if you can accredit that you were a resident for 3 years before your application for TIE, it will be issued for 2 years and when that period is up, you would need to apply for “residencia larga duración”.

If you’ve only been a resident for a short period before the exit date, your application for the TIE could be issued for a limited time and require renewal. This would be the procedure before you can apply for “residencia larga duración”. This renewal will take place under the same conditions as mentioned in these instructions.

Note: the Foreigners Law includes another requisite to meet when applying for residency authorisation “larga duración”, with regards to accrediting integration through a certificate issued by the authorities in your Autonomous Region with regards to courses taken to this end. It appears that those UK citizens, resident in Spain before the exit date, are exempt when applying for the authorisation during the 21 month grace period, but we cannot be sure this will remain the case once that has ended.

The above is a summary of the most common cases, the Instructions also include information for cross border workers, students etc. We will await the outcome of the Brexit negotiations before providing further facts.

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Posted: Wed Oct 2, 2019 2:44pm

What about people who have purchased a property here in Spain and pay non residence tax and spend 3 or more months at a time in Spain more than once a year where do we stand

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Posted: Wed Oct 2, 2019 2:50pm

Nigel wrote on Wed Oct 2, 2019 2:44pm:

What about people who have purchased a property here in Spain and pay non residence tax and spend 3 or more months at a time in Spain more than once a year where do we stand

if you stay more than 3 months, you’ll need residence.  At the moment, if you don’t have it, it’s not so problematic, but post Brexit Day, passport checks will become much more intense.

If you already have Residencia, then you will merely need to re-prove income and medical cover to transfer to TIE.

If you DON’T have Residencia ..... then I’d say get the process going before BDay

After that .... it’ll be application for TIE and not quite as easy as getting Residencia

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Posted: Wed Oct 2, 2019 4:09pm

Thanks for the answer but this does not answer the question. We come out in Feb for month then then again say in June for 2 months then in September for just over 3 months that’s 6 months but sometimes it’s slightly longer. We don’t really want Full residency so will we be in breach of any rules

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Posted: Wed Oct 2, 2019 4:26pm

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Posted: Wed Oct 2, 2019 4:26pm

Nigel wrote on Wed Oct 2, 2019 4:09pm:

Thanks for the answer but this does not answer the question. We come out in Feb for month then then again say in June for 2 months then in September for just over 3 months that’s 6 months but sometimes it’s slightly longer. We don’t really want Full residency so will we be in breach of any ...

...rules

If you are coming over for short tourist visit periods that is not a problem. But if you stay here more than 182 days in a calendar year you will become a resident, a tax resident in Spain 🇪🇸 - not in the U.K.

And if you are not a resident then once ETIAS (Schengen countries in the EU) commences in 2021 you will only be allowed to come to Spain (or any other EU country) for 90 day/3 months in every 180 days period. No overstays possible, if you do you may be banned from coming again for possibly a long period. 

So the U.K. visitors that traditionally have come here for two months, gone home for two months then returned here for two months, will need to make that three months here, three months at home, etc.

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Posted: Wed Oct 2, 2019 5:02pm

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Posted: Wed Oct 2, 2019 5:02pm

What if you return for one week in the middle of a 3 month stay and come back again can you start again 

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Posted: Wed Oct 2, 2019 5:14pm

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Posted: Wed Oct 2, 2019 5:14pm

Nigel wrote on Wed Oct 2, 2019 5:02pm:

What if you return for one week in the middle of a 3 month stay and come back again can you start again 

You can come back of course - but you don’t start again.  It’s a cumulative 3 months in any 6 months period.

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Posted: Wed Oct 2, 2019 5:18pm

So I have no option then but to shorten my time in Spain even though I pay non residence tax every year

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Posted: Wed Oct 2, 2019 5:24pm

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Posted: Wed Oct 2, 2019 5:24pm

Nigel wrote on Wed Oct 2, 2019 5:18pm:

So I have no option then but to shorten my time in Spain even though I pay non residence tax every year

Or take residency, which will allow you longer than 3 months

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Posted: Wed Oct 2, 2019 9:18pm

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Posted: Wed Oct 2, 2019 9:18pm

Hi, hope you can help and thanks for your posts, I've recently visited a local lawyer, the advice is that I need to take out seperate health insurance, not being of the pensionable age should this disaster come through, the minimum quote is €1.500 a year, do you have any info please

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