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Thanks Ednab,

Your right we can only all do our bit, its the ones that dont do their bit thats the problem.

Have a nice evening.

Jenni

"but don't berate those who don't wear one either unless you have hard proof it works?"

We have hard proof that they obstruct saliva spray. We also have hard proof that the virus is transmitted via saliva. The connection and conclusions are extremely easy to make, in lieu of science finding out exactly the best preventive methods. Since people are dying in extreme pain and fear of this, you will have to learn to accept that people refusing to do what seems to be a method with likely beneficial but no negative effects will be berated.

What is far more shocking are the extreme and often violent reactions in for example the USA directed at people wearing masks who in no way are potentially risking other peoples lives by wearing masks. Even if masks turn out to be utterly useless, no harm will have been caused to other people. If they turn out to be effective, extreme, lethal, agonizing harm will have been caused to other people by those who refuse to wear them or attack people who use them. There are two sides to choose from here: One side  potentially protects others from death and cannot harm any other person and the other side potentially can kill other people. Decency dictates which side is the more moral side to be on.

"I also supported the wearing of masks if it makes people feel better because mental health is just as important in these stressful moments.

I fail to see why you are telling me the same?"

I didn't. Please quote where I said that. Objecting to an argument that your interlocutor hasn't made isn't serious debate. It's Trumpian debate tactics to avoid the debate.

"It doesn't need a spray"

The spray transmits it over a distance. The vast majority of scientists Ive read recommend masks:

 "The virus can spread from an infected person’s mouth or nose in small liquid particles when they cough, sneeze, speak, sing or breathe heavily. These liquid particles are different sizes, ranging from larger ‘respiratory droplets’ to smaller ‘aerosols’. Current evidence suggests that the main way the virus spreads is by respiratory droplets among people who are in close contact with each other.
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"Infection is understood to be mainly transmitted via large respiratory droplets containing the SARS-CoV-2 virus. " (2)

"The main transmission appeared to take place via saliva" (3)
Et cetera. (Et cetera meaning that theres much more where that came from). They all say the main way, not the only way. Obviously, stopping the *main* way is of great importance, even if its not the ultimate, perfect method of absolute eradication.

"I was making the point that the wearer of the mask was using the same negative language of the people attacking the wearers of masks. It works both ways."

You seem to choose what you want to get out of reading responses. I'll repeat again: but one side is potentially just wasting their time without causing any harm in the worst case scenario (the worst case scenario being that it could help mental health, as you say, which is not a negative) or alternatively perhaps saving lives in the best case scenario, as recommended by the leading national scientific institutions around the world, (even Sweden, the only outlier, is now discussing using masks in confined areas), and one side is potentially killing people.This is a huge difference, the two sides are not leading to equal potential scenarios at all. One side is gambling with free chips - with the backing of leading scientists in the field - and the other side is gambling with other peoples lives. Gambling with your own life is one thing, gambling with other peoples lives is a sin. Any reasonable assessment concludes that the second alternative is far more serious.

P.s. Guess what? Sweden uses masks in retirement homes, in line with their strategy to focus on protecting the most vulnerable group:
https://sverigesradio.se/sida/artikel.aspx?programid=114&artikel=7438325

(1) https://www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019/question-and-answers-hub/q-a-detail/q-a-how-is-covid-19-transmitted?
(2) https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/covid-19/latest-evidence/transmission

(3) https://www.cebm.net/evidence-synthesis/transmission-dynamics-of-covid-19/

I copied  the following from the Harvard Medical School website and no need for comment by me:-

Could wearing masks prevent COVID deaths?

According to a new study published in the journal Nature Medicine, widespread use of masks could prevent nearly 130,000 of 500,000 COVID-related deaths estimated to occur by March 2021.

These numbers are based on an epidemiological model. The researchers considered, state by state, the number of people susceptible to coronavirus infection, how many get exposed, how many then become infected (and infectious), and how many recover. They then modeled various scenarios, including mask wearing, assuming that social distancing mandates would go into effect once the number of deaths exceeded 8 per 1 million people.

Modeling studies are based on assumptions, so the exact numbers are less important than the comparisons of different scenarios. In this study, a scenario in which 95% of people always wore masks in public resulted in many fewer deaths compared to a scenario in which only 49% of people (the self-reported national average of mask wearers) always wore masks in public.

This study reinforces the message that we can help prevent COVID deaths by wearing masks.

I havent seen one single scientific study that claims the opposite, that masks are useless. Its absolutely clear that mask wearers are on the side of science and mask rejecters are rejecting science

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Mask rejectors are rejecting reality - they simply have low tolerance towards anything that inconveniences them personally and try to dress up their own selfishness with pseudo science

Hi Shay,

Its interesting to read others points of view, so I hope this isn;t the last time you will post, informative info. 

Regards  Jenni

Hi Shay, I might not agree with a word you say, but I hope to see you posting here as long as you wish. You have opinions and you are entitled to express them.