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bodies on the beaches in Vera/ Garrucha and Mojacar

Posted: Sat Apr 3, 2021 10:04am
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Reported in Murcia today news on Sat a boat of 14 people capsized just off Mazzaron and only 3 were saved by a surfer and an off duty policeman. A man's body was found in the sea of Garrucha, a woman on Vera beach and a man and a child on Marina de la Torre beach.  The sea was so rough over that period it is so sad that they attempted the trip.

One of those rescued is suspected of being the people smuggler and has been arrested, it is hoped that if he is they lock him up and throw the key away.  

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Posted: Sat Apr 3, 2021 1:44pm

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Posted: Sat Apr 3, 2021 1:44pm

How tragic. I heard about the bodies on the beach in Garrucha.  If refugees can afford to pay for illegal entry with people smugglers why dont they use the money to get here, or the uk, or wherever, through normal channels.  Genuine refugees would not be turned away.  Terrible situation especially with little children involved.  

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Posted: Sat Apr 3, 2021 3:48pm

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Posted: Sat Apr 3, 2021 3:48pm

This is utterly tragic, those poor poor souls

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Posted: Sat Apr 3, 2021 10:53pm

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Posted: Sat Apr 3, 2021 10:53pm

Lyn77 wrote on Sat Apr 3, 2021 1:44pm:

How tragic. I heard about the bodies on the beach in Garrucha.  If refugees can afford to pay for illegal entry with people smugglers why dont they use the money to get here, or the uk, or wherever, through normal channels.  Genuine refugees would not be turned away.  Terrible situ...

...ation especially with little children involved.  

That is what I can’t understand . If they have the funds to pay the people smugglers how sad that if they are genuine refugees they can’t apply and come through the proper channels . People must be so desperate to risk their lives and the lives of their children . How lucky are we to be able to sit in our comfy homes and be able to comment . Remember the old saying “ their but for the grace of god goes us “ I’m not religious but I do remember my mom saying that phrase . 

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Posted: Sat Apr 3, 2021 11:05pm

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Posted: Sat Apr 3, 2021 11:05pm

Amen to that,!

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Posted: Tue Apr 6, 2021 6:50pm

Lyn77 wrote on Sat Apr 3, 2021 1:44pm:

How tragic. I heard about the bodies on the beach in Garrucha.  If refugees can afford to pay for illegal entry with people smugglers why dont they use the money to get here, or the uk, or wherever, through normal channels.  Genuine refugees would not be turned away.  Terrible situ...

...ation especially with little children involved.  

Unfortunately you can't apply for asylum before arrival into the country you wish to apply for. For the UK, you must get yourself to the UK first and then put in an application and be able to prove that you can't return to your home country for fear of persecution or punishment and I presume Spain will be the same. (https://www.gov.uk/claim-asylum) 

People can apply for a visa, but if they don't meet that criteria either then they can't buy there way in so for many this is the only way to try and leave. It must certainly be bad if you are willing to put your child in such a dangerous position. 

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Posted: Tue Apr 6, 2021 7:07pm

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Posted: Tue Apr 6, 2021 7:07pm

Indeed.  But shouldn't they seek asylum in the first safe country they are in?  The perilous journey wouldn't then be necessary.  

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Posted: Tue Apr 6, 2021 8:12pm

Lyn77 wrote on Tue Apr 6, 2021 7:07pm:

Indeed.  But shouldn't they seek asylum in the first safe country they are in?  The perilous journey wouldn't then be necessary.  

I don't know where the boats originate from but I'd guess at Morocco or Tunisia? 

If this is the case then usually Spain would be the first safe country as the other north African countries aren't very safe or hospitable either, and wouldn't normally accept them so they would be sent home. 

When people flee to the UK then they usually have come via many other safe countries so I can see your point with that. 

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Posted: Tue Apr 6, 2021 8:18pm

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Posted: Tue Apr 6, 2021 8:18pm

Lyn77 wrote on Tue Apr 6, 2021 7:07pm:

Indeed.  But shouldn't they seek asylum in the first safe country they are in?  The perilous journey wouldn't then be necessary.  

these poor unfortunate people were making the journey from Algeria which they obviously did not think was a safe country.  They nearly made the beach at Mazaron but the boat capsized in the rough sea just off shore.  They may have been economic migrants but if life where you are is so poor who can blame them trying to get somewhere they thought they could improve their lives and those of their children.  Often they borrow the money for the journey and the debt is still owed by the family left behind.  They need to punish the traffickers severely to stop them.  

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Posted: Wed Apr 7, 2021 8:38am

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Posted: Wed Apr 7, 2021 8:38am

This is very tragic, but also an extremely complex issue.

Asylum seeking used to be very rare, one would hear only of dissidents, spies and the likes seeking political asylum, in fact it would make headline news.

Now it is completely different. These poor souls who perished are said to be from Algeria; i didn't realise Algeria was an unsafe country.

Let's look at safe countries where people are travelling to, the EU, UK, America, Canada, Australia, New Zealand. Where else? This means the rest of the world is unsafe, how therefore can these few countries accommodate the remaining 6 billion people. If any of the safe countries interfere with the unsafe countries they are unwelcome and seen as oppressors themselves. It seems that spending billions in foreign aid is not working either. If people smuggling became an international capital crime it would be seen as barbaric.

So what is the answer and how has the world got into such a state?

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